Is The NuTrek Universe A Changed Timeline From The Star Trek Universe?

[TRON JA307020]

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Maybe your right maybe not. Some complex machinery just doesn't work like a cellphone. Just think could we really design a nuclear plant or air craft carrier to operate that way? I don't think so.

Yes. Yes we can. This is the Dragon V2 space ship control system:

This is the control system on the USS Theodore Roosevelt:

Ok I see where you got it from now. Its looks way more complex than touch screens though. I can see moving parts, button consoles below the screens. A steering wheel etc.

 

[BillJ]

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Ok I see where you got it from now. Its looks way more complex than touch screens though. I can see moving parts, button consoles below the screens. A steering wheel etc.

If you look closely at the Abrams bridge, you'll also see buttons, switches and moving parts. About my only issue with the Abrams bridge is that it could use a bit of color to break up the white. It was the spinoff (TNG, DS9, VOY) sets that lacked any moving parts.

 

[Amaris]

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I love the bridge. I could easily see all of the screen displays, and everything was laid out in a sensible pattern. To me it was the epitome of the nerve center of the ship.

I mean, I think this is just gorgeous:

I think this is a production photo. The film bridge always seems so much brighter.

This is how you would see it with your eyes, rather than through a camera lens. Notice the lack of lens flare to distort the image.

Never heard of this. Where is it from?

It's the current iteration of SpaceX's space capsule program.

Ok I see where you got it from now. Its looks way more complex than touch screens though. I can see moving parts, button consoles below the screens. A steering wheel etc.

Certainly, there are some buttons, along with steering columns. The difference is quite clear, however:

Modern US Aircraft Carrier:

TOS Enterprise helm:

While this is CG, it's accurate to the show's design. That said, you figure out how to make the ship move with this.

 

[TRON JA307020]

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I love the bridge. I could easily see all of the screen displays, and everything was laid out in a sensible pattern. To me it was the epitome of the nerve center of the ship.

I mean, I think this is just gorgeous:

I think this is a production photo. The film bridge always seems so much brighter.

This is how you would see it with your eyes, rather than through a camera lens. Notice the lack of lens flare to distort the image.

Never heard of this. Where is it from?

It's the current iteration of SpaceX's space capsule program.

Ok I see where you got it from now. Its looks way more complex than touch screens though. I can see moving parts, button consoles below the screens. A steering wheel etc.

Certainly, there are some buttons, along with steering columns. The difference is quite clear, however:

Modern US Aircraft Carrier:

TOS Enterprise helm:

While this is CG, it's accurate to the show's design. That said, you figure out how to make the ship move with this.

Actually the enterprise helm looks like a advanced version of the air craft carrier console.

 

[BillJ]

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TOS Enterprise helm:

While this is CG, it's accurate to the show's design. That said, you figure out how to make the ship move with this.

Just push purple. Duh!

 

[TRON JA307020]

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Some pics I found from in a mirror darkly
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Notice the one panel to the right of Scanner reader that has a computer graphic.
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I like this pick with in warp. I think the lighting they used also made the bridge of the defiant look pretty sweet.

 

[Amaris]

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Actually the enterprise helm looks like a advanced version of the air craft carrier console.

Except without the status displays, or touch screen controls for simple access, or the steering systems, or labels. In other words, far more cryptic, far less ease-of-use. That's not advanced. That's complicated for the sake of being complicated.

Just push purple. Duh!

Of course! How could I not see that?!

Some pics I found from in a mirror darkly

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Notice the one panel to the right of Scanner reader that has a computer graphic.

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I like this pick with in warp. I think the lighting they used also made the bridge of the defiant look pretty sweet.

I don't really like that look. My biggest issue is the question of what all of those buttons do. Sure, there's one screen, and it's surrounded by light brites with no indicated form or function.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

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Must have missed that scene. Though, there is a scene where she reminds Spock that she is a highly qualified expert in linguistics and communications and was supposed to be assigned to Enterprise.

Actually, she said "And did I not on multiple occasions demonstrate an exceptional oral sensitivity,"...

Sounds kinda like "Is there another way to get on this ship?"

 

[Amaris]

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Must have missed that scene. Though, there is a scene where she reminds Spock that she is a highly qualified expert in linguistics and communications and was supposed to be assigned to Enterprise.

Actually, she said "And did I not on multiple occasions demonstrate an exceptional oral sensitivity,"...

Sounds kinda like "Is there another way to get on this ship?"

She says "aural" sensitivity. It means she can hear nuances in languages exceptionally well.

 

[urbandefault]

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If the new movies were being produced by GR, he might say that this is the way the ships and the bridge always looked. Like the TMP Klingons.

 

[martok2112]

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^This! Well stated, urbandefault.

(NOTE for previous stuff....At M'Sharak's kind invitation, I accept....and will go one step further in a positive direction, be the bigger man, and apologize. . )

Back to the current sub-discussion seeming to regard the timed/dated looks of Trek tech, well, as we all have pretty much experienced, the vision of the far future changes from decade to decade.

The far future (or just the vision if advanced tech in a fictional setting) as envisioned in the fifties is different from what we saw in the sixties, and the fic-tech just keeps changing with each decade. So, it's not surprising, the quandry a furturist art director finds him/herself in when trying to conceive a look for a show/franchise that has endured for decades. How do we make the NX-01 look more advanced than what we have now, yet seem primitive when compared to a ship that came along in the fictional history some 100 years later, and yet, by today's production standards, looks retro-futuristic?

We've all heard the case before that we now have cell phones that look far cooler (and have even more functionality...it would seem) than ShatKirk's era of communicators.

One of the things I liked about the Abrams Star Trek communicators was that they were more like futuristic successors to today's cell phones. When Pike's communicator beeps as he's talking to Kirk in STID, he doesn't answer it.....he reads a text. Also, communicators of that era seem to have recording apps, as Kirk demonstrated in Trek '09 as he cites his (then) current situation on Delta Vega. They still had the same basic look as ShatKirk's communicators (that is to say, not exactly the same, but the idea was still the same, a flip grid commo device), but they had more functionality.


However, the one thing that cannot be denied is that the original Trek was rather visionary when it came to future tech depiction back in the 60's and even into the 90's. Cell phones (from communicators), floppy disks (from the data cards), thumb drives (from the ODN chips). We have medical beds that are inspired by the 60's Trek. The military has considered the typical starfleet bridge as a basis for command center layouts.

Stuff from way back when might not look good by today's production standards, but the practical tech they've inspired endures and continues to evolve.

 

[BillJ]

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Must have missed that scene. Though, there is a scene where she reminds Spock that she is a highly qualified expert in linguistics and communications and was supposed to be assigned to Enterprise.

Actually, she said "And did I not on multiple occasions demonstrate an exceptional oral sensitivity,"...

Sounds kinda like "Is there another way to get on this ship?"

She says "aural" sensitivity. It means she can hear nuances in languages exceptionally well.

If Roddenberry had been making the movie, it would have been "oral"!

 

[Amaris]

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Actually, she said "And did I not on multiple occasions demonstrate an exceptional oral sensitivity,"...

Sounds kinda like "Is there another way to get on this ship?"

She says "aural" sensitivity. It means she can hear nuances in languages exceptionally well.

If Roddenberry had been making the movie, it would have been "oral"!

At which point Spock would have experienced a stirring in his loins, because Roddenberry.

 

[Gojira]

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I think there is enough ambiguity in the dialog for many different ways to look at JJ Abram's version of Trek. For me personally what works is that time travel is a tricky thing. The normal sling shot around the sun tends to keep you in your own universe and continuity. But time travel through a black hole or the use of red matter creates time travel that is less predictable.

Therefore I see this new series of films, (which I love) as where Spock Prime and Nero came from the prime universe we have been following for nearly 50 years and traveled to an already existing parallel universe and radically altered that universe.

 

[martok2112]

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I think there is enough ambiguity in the dialog for many different ways to look at JJ Abram's version of Trek. For me personally what works is that time travel is a tricky thing. The normal sling shot around the sun tends to keep you in your own universe and continuity. But time travel through a black hole or the use of red matter creates time travel that is less predictable.

Therefore I see this new series of films, (which I love) as where Spock Prime and Nero came from the prime universe we have been following for nearly 50 years and traveled to an already existing parallel universe and radically altered that universe.

Well told!

 

[fireproof78]

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I don't really like that look. My biggest issue is the question of what all of those buttons do. Sure, there's one screen, and it's surrounded by light brites with no indicated form or function.

Kind of reminds of Shatner's take on it from Airplane 2

In all seriousness, if one looks at a modern airliner's controls, there might be some confusion as to what does what. As GR noted with the whole "everyone is an officer" thing, is the idea that the crews of starships are the highest trained individuals in the Federation. So, while the TOS bridge layout might be counterintuitive that doesn't mean that it is unintelligible to the crewmembers. Just that us mere mortals don't know

As much of a fan that I am of the TOS bridge (it is my favorite of all the series bridges), I credit Abrams' crew for trying to design a bridge that looks like a command center, even if it isn't the exact same aesthetic. I feel like I can look at it and glean meaningful information about the ship, and command it, rather than just appreciate the look of it.

I personally think that the Abrams bridge could be less busy, and maybe have more of the TOS aesthetic, but I would not want to change the controls or display layouts. I like those.

I think there is enough ambiguity in the dialog for many different ways to look at JJ Abram's version of Trek. For me personally what works is that time travel is a tricky thing. The normal sling shot around the sun tends to keep you in your own universe and continuity. But time travel through a black hole or the use of red matter creates time travel that is less predictable.

Therefore I see this new series of films, (which I love) as where Spock Prime and Nero came from the prime universe we have been following for nearly 50 years and traveled to an already existing parallel universe and radically altered that universe.

I agree. I think that sums up my opinion rather nicely

 

[Mudd]

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It's "aural sensitivity." An unfortunate choice of homonyms.

 

[martok2112]

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It's "aural sensitivity." An unfortunate choice of homonyms.

Lol....yeah, I'm glad I don't eat Chinese food with my ears.

 

[Amaris]

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I don't really like that look. My biggest issue is the question of what all of those buttons do. Sure, there's one screen, and it's surrounded by light brites with no indicated form or function.

Kind of reminds of Shatner's take on it from Airplane 2

In all seriousness, if one looks at a modern airliner's controls, there might be some confusion as to what does what. As GR noted with the whole "everyone is an officer" thing, is the idea that the crews of starships are the highest trained individuals in the Federation. So, while the TOS bridge layout might be counterintuitive that doesn't mean that it is unintelligible to the crewmembers. Just that us mere mortals don't know

As much of a fan that I am of the TOS bridge (it is my favorite of all the series bridges), I credit Abrams' crew for trying to design a bridge that looks like a command center, even if it isn't the exact same aesthetic. I feel like I can look at it and glean meaningful information about the ship, and command it, rather than just appreciate the look of it.

I personally think that the Abrams bridge could be less busy, and maybe have more of the TOS aesthetic, but I would not want to change the controls or display layouts. I like those.

That's true, but I understand 95% of what I see in a cockpit, and that's as a layman. Everything is marked. On the TOS bridge, very very little is marked. I mean, this is a disaster waiting to happen:

I understand the real world reason for this, but since we're discussing real world changes to sets (that being the 50 year difference between then and now), it's relevant to the issue, because usually when people say "how do we explain the changes?" I like to reply, "because that was then, this is now."

 

[fireproof78]

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I don't really like that look. My biggest issue is the question of what all of those buttons do. Sure, there's one screen, and it's surrounded by light brites with no indicated form or function.

Kind of reminds of Shatner's take on it from Airplane 2

In all seriousness, if one looks at a modern airliner's controls, there might be some confusion as to what does what. As GR noted with the whole "everyone is an officer" thing, is the idea that the crews of starships are the highest trained individuals in the Federation. So, while the TOS bridge layout might be counterintuitive that doesn't mean that it is unintelligible to the crewmembers. Just that us mere mortals don't know

As much of a fan that I am of the TOS bridge (it is my favorite of all the series bridges), I credit Abrams' crew for trying to design a bridge that looks like a command center, even if it isn't the exact same aesthetic. I feel like I can look at it and glean meaningful information about the ship, and command it, rather than just appreciate the look of it.

I personally think that the Abrams bridge could be less busy, and maybe have more of the TOS aesthetic, but I would not want to change the controls or display layouts. I like those.

That's true, but I understand 95% of what I see in a cockpit, and that's as a layman. Everything is marked. On the TOS bridge, very very little is marked. I mean, this is a disaster waiting to happen:

I understand the real world reason for this, but since we're discussing real world changes to sets (that being the 50 year difference between then and now), it's relevant to the issue, because usually when people say "how do we explain the changes?" I like to reply, "because that was then, this is now."

And that is totally fair. Like I said, I like the colors of the bridge, but the controls make little sense. It is easy for me to prefer this over what you pictured above.