Is The NuTrek Universe A Changed Timeline From The Star Trek Universe?

[BillJ]

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Since they treated it as regular time travel the NuTrek universe should look somewhat like the TOS universe.

You can imagine it anyway you like it. But we don't know what the TOS universe looked like in 2233, which is the point of divergence. After the divergence, everything is fair game.

 

[Dukhat]

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Since they treated it as regular time travel the NuTrek universe should look somewhat like the TOS universe.

A movie produced in 2009 isn't going to try to look like a '60's TV show if it wants its audience (minus an extreme minority of trufans) to take it in any way seriously. This was understood in 1979 when TMP was produced, and it's understood now. I'm not sure why you don't seem to understand this.

 

[BillJ]

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Star Trek is supposed to be an approximation of our future. Looking dated would kill the immersion factor for many, many people. Even if you're telling a story set in the prime timeline during the five-year mission, the look and tech would have to be updated. It isn't disrespecting anyone to admit that TOS (and for that matter the spinoffs) are beginning to look dated.

I could probably run the entire Enterprise as shown in 1966 off of my Galaxy 3 smart phone.

 

[Cyke101]

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Everything took a different path. Buildings, clothing, everyones character traits, all technology. I find it hard to believe that not one friggin thing stayed the same. They should have made it a alternate universe with changes. They should not have said the NuTrek was born from the Star Trek universe.

I think the TOS to TMP aesthetic transition is more shocking than anything we saw in the two Abrams films. To be perfectly honest.

Agreed very much. There isn't much beyond lip service to explain that change, but it's so hard to imagine just what could have happened in 2 canon years that could make such a drastic change all over the place. That sort of thing certainly doesn't happen in reality. And of course, we can thank the big budget for that.

For ST09, I really appreciate the differences between the Kelvin and the Enterprise bridges, which is separated by a much more reasonable 25 years. The Kelvin bridge looks like a an evolution of the sturdy workhorse that is the NX-01 bridge, just put through more wear and tear. But the JJPrise bridge, at the very least, can be explained by the fact that it's 2 decades later and that the Kelvin incident changed design aesthetics (I'm wondering if there was an engineer who partly blamed the Kelvin's destruction on dark interior lighting)

 

[USS KG5]

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Is NuTrek a changed timeline from the Star Trek Universe? I would offer a thought: Too many things imho do not fit.

It's an alternate timeline where things look like a big budget movie of 2009, albeit one obviously partly filmed in a brewery, as opposed to the other timeline, where things looked like a cheap TV series from the 1960s..?

Makes more sense than some episodes of Sliders did?

 

[Wulff359]

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It is amazing, how always the same bunch of people pop up, to defend their point if view, if they only THINK somebody would criticise THEIR point of view. Are you getting paid by the PR departement of "Bad Robot"? Did they promise you free tickets to the next movie? And before you bash on me, for getting personal, re-read your post one more time. And then re-read the Thread-Title. "WE" are no more "self-appointed authorities" in terms of Star Trek than you seem to claim for yourself. As a matter of fact, Star Trek is so divers, that everyone has their OWN VERSION of it in their Brains. And that is a good thing! It allows for variety and creativity. Some people like it for its display of humanity, some for the science, some for not beeing taken as complete fools... Star Trek always wanted people to think and discuss about it. AND THIS IS WHAT WE DO HERE. A "free thinker" should be able to appreciate that. We do what Roddenberry wanted us to do. If you do not understand - or at least tolerate - that point, then you really did make the right decision by not calling yourself fan anymore.

What I find amazing is that you only joined this BBS a few days ago and yet act as if you know all about us and feel the presumption to tell us what we're supposed to be doing here.

This is the only thing I will add to this: Yes, I only joined here a view days ago. Does that make my opinion less valid? Is this an "Invite Only" Board, for people that all agree on the JJ-Films beeing the greatest thing in the universe? And Berman the worst? Do I say that my opinion is the only opinion that is correct?
The point of a discussion is discussing. People have different standpoints. But if individuals start believing, that their standpoint is the only valid standpoint, and treat everyone else with a different point of view like an idiot, I have a problem with it. So, if I am accused to have come here, and tell people to do something let it be this: Star Trek is about tolerance. As fans we should at least try to act in its spirit.

 

[Wulff359]

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What if the timeline was not changed when the Kelvin got attacked? What if the change happend when the Borg from FC crashed on the planet? Or even earlier, when the Phoenix got the interest of the Vulcans - with a little help of "Next Gen" technology. That would mean, a good portion of "Enterprise" would already be in the JJ-Timeline and explain some of the aesthetic differences between the JJ Kelvin and the way a TOS Version of that ship would have looked.

 

[FrankT]

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Maybe it's both a different timeline and universe!

 

[Wulff359]

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According to a new theoretical experiment (by Julian Barbour, Tim Koslowski and Flavio Mercati) time, created in the moment of the Big Bang, could move forward AND backwards from that point. Making the Universe on the other side look like an mirror image of ours. Just going backwards. So, this 2009 timeline could be in our quantum universe, but before the Big Bang in the other time stream.

 

[M'Sharak]

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Roddenberry Trek, Movie era Trek, Berman/Braga Trek, Abrams Trek.

Guess what? It's all Star Trek. People trying to push off on me and other free thinkers what is or is not Star Trek are a major reason why I no longer consider myself a fan of anything, anymore. So, thank you, self-appointed, totally unofficial , and very much so called authorities on what you try to lord as Trek on everyone else for fucking up fandom and making it a complete waste of time and fun.

It is amazing, how always the same bunch of people pop up, to defend their point if view, if they only THINK somebody would criticise THEIR point of view. Are you getting paid by the PR departement of "Bad Robot"? Did they promise you free tickets to the next movie? And before you bash on me, for getting personal, re-read your post one more time. And then re-read the Thread-Title. "WE" are no more "self-appointed authorities" in terms of Star Trek than you seem to claim for yourself. As a matter of fact, Star Trek is so divers, that everyone has their OWN VERSION of it in their Brains. And that is a good thing! It allows for variety and creativity. Some people like it for its display of humanity, some for the science, some for not beeing taken as complete fools... Star Trek always wanted people to think and discuss about it. AND THIS IS WHAT WE DO HERE. A "free thinker" should be able to appreciate that. We do what Roddenberry wanted us to do. If you do not understand - or at least tolerate - that point, then you really did make the right decision by not calling yourself fan anymore.
[...]

There have been (and continue to be) pronouncements about what is or is not Real Trek and about who is or is not a Real Trek Fan. There have also been (and continue to be) insinuations about who might be a studio plant or in the employ of Bad Robot.

But you know what? It doesn't need to be that way here. In fact, it would be a lot better and much more friendly if we could dispense with that sort of thing entirely, or at least take a couple of steps back from any confrontational attitude.

[...]

The point of a discussion is discussing. People have different standpoints. But if individuals start believing, that their standpoint is the only valid standpoint, and treat everyone else with a different point of view like an idiot, I have a problem with it. So, if I am accused to have come here, and tell people to do something let it be this: Star Trek is about tolerance. As fans we should at least try to act in its spirit.

Works for me.

 

[Dukhat]

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It is amazing, how always the same bunch of people pop up, to defend their point if view, if they only THINK somebody would criticise THEIR point of view. Are you getting paid by the PR departement of "Bad Robot"? Did they promise you free tickets to the next movie? And before you bash on me, for getting personal, re-read your post one more time. And then re-read the Thread-Title. "WE" are no more "self-appointed authorities" in terms of Star Trek than you seem to claim for yourself. As a matter of fact, Star Trek is so divers, that everyone has their OWN VERSION of it in their Brains. And that is a good thing! It allows for variety and creativity. Some people like it for its display of humanity, some for the science, some for not beeing taken as complete fools... Star Trek always wanted people to think and discuss about it. AND THIS IS WHAT WE DO HERE. A "free thinker" should be able to appreciate that. We do what Roddenberry wanted us to do. If you do not understand - or at least tolerate - that point, then you really did make the right decision by not calling yourself fan anymore.

What I find amazing is that you only joined this BBS a few days ago and yet act as if you know all about us and feel the presumption to tell us what we're supposed to be doing here.

This is the only thing I will add to this: Yes, I only joined here a view days ago. Does that make my opinion less valid? Is this an "Invite Only" Board, for people that all agree on the JJ-Films beeing the greatest thing in the universe? And Berman the worst? Do I say that my opinion is the only opinion that is correct?
The point of a discussion is discussing. People have different standpoints. But if individuals start believing, that their standpoint is the only valid standpoint, and treat everyone else with a different point of view like an idiot, I have a problem with it. So, if I am accused to have come here, and tell people to do something let it be this: Star Trek is about tolerance. As fans we should at least try to act in its spirit.

And yet you felt the need, after only joining this site a few days ago, to call out Martok2112 and personally attack his post for doing nothing whatsoever except stating how he personally feels about fandom. Perhaps you need to stop preaching tolerance and start actually living it.

 

[Galileo7]

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The transition from TOS to the Abrams films was way more shocking. THe changes in TMP were explained it. The enterprise was refitted. We still had the same basic technology and feel to the ship. Actually the enterprise in TMP has a close resemblance to the way the enterprise looked in The Cage(I.E. Interior coloring and close cropped hallways.)

No. Just no.

Everything had changed. Not just the Enterprise. Space stations near (Spacedock) and far (Epsilon Nine) all had the new aesthetic. That's quite a trick to pull off in two-and-a-half years. The Kelvin while more advanced due to technology being more advanced, felt like something that could have existed pre-TOS.

You can't hang Abrams for technology evolving any more than you could Rick Berman when they made Star Trek: Enterprise. That goes for what the audiences see and how the sets are constructed. General audiences wouldn't watch something made now that looked like Forbidden Planet or Lost in Space. They aren't interested in random blinking lights, which were awesomely cool when I was four years old, in the here and now.

True.

 

[TRON JA307020]

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Since they treated it as regular time travel the NuTrek universe should look somewhat like the TOS universe.

A movie produced in 2009 isn't going to try to look like a '60's TV show if it wants its audience (minus an extreme minority of trufans) to take it in any way seriously. This was understood in 1979 when TMP was produced, and it's understood now. I'm not sure why you don't seem to understand this.

As I have said before look at the episode in a mirror darkly. That episode made some enhancements to the 60s bridge and it looked great. They basically used the blinking light panels as screen savers when not in use. Also they used some viewscreen graphics that were amazing. Abrams could have done something similar and at least styled hius after the original series. The NuBridge as some have said looks like a apple store. I agree.

 

[Squiggy]

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I'm eagerly reading all these fresh ideas and interpretations about this movie that is six years old.

 

[fireproof78]

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Since they treated it as regular time travel the NuTrek universe should look somewhat like the TOS universe.

A movie produced in 2009 isn't going to try to look like a '60's TV show if it wants its audience (minus an extreme minority of trufans) to take it in any way seriously. This was understood in 1979 when TMP was produced, and it's understood now. I'm not sure why you don't seem to understand this.

As I have said before look at the episode in a mirror darkly. That episode made some enhancements to the 60s bridge and it looked great. They basically used the blinking light panels as screen savers when not in use. Also they used some viewscreen graphics that were amazing. Abrams could have done something similar and at least styled hius after the original series. The NuBridge as some have said looks like a apple store. I agree.

I don't agree on the Bridge. I personally found it to be quite an interesting take on the idea behind the TOS bridge. While not aesthetically the same, the idea of white interiors (an idea prevelant in 60s SF) is definitely taken from TOS. I think that it is more busy, but it also is not a shoestring budget like TOS.

I liked the feel of the new bridge, as it definitely had a more command center feel to it, with all the information displays, and data points. I like the Kelvin bridge for same reasons.

Obviously, not everyone's cup of tea, but I liked the mood of it, and far more brightly lit than many of the film era bridges (insert lens flare joke here).

 

[M'Sharak]

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The NuBridge as some have said looks like a apple store.

It looks nothing like an Apple Store. That's nothing more than a bumper sticker slogan people learned to parrot. At best, it's a feeble attempt at a put-down, intended to dress the actual sentiment of "I don't like it" in more self-important guise.

Also the recreation of the bridge in the ST:Enterprise In a Mirror Darkly showed just how the TOS era ships could work if the effects were available in the 60s. The NX-01 actually looked primitive next to the Defiant.

Strange you should make that claim. As I well recall, the common complaint when Enterprise was on the air was that the NX-01 looked "too advanced" to belong to a period 100-plus years earlier than the Enterprise or Defiant of the Original Series.

The viewscreen technology is imbedded in the window.

Tech we essentially have in 2015, btw.

Do you really believe that the writers and designers should instead pretend it doesn't exist in order to be more faithful to a 1960s version of imagined future technology (which, if one is being honest, wasn't drastically different in appearance from what could already be seen in computer rooms and other high-tech facilities of the time)?

 

[Amaris]

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The NuBridge as some have said looks like a apple store.

It looks nothing like an Apple Store. That's nothing more than a bumper sticker slogan people learned to parrot. At best, it's a feeble attempt at a put-down, intended to dress the actual sentiment of "I don't like it" in more self-important guise.

Also the recreation of the bridge in the ST:Enterprise In a Mirror Darkly showed just how the TOS era ships could work if the effects were available in the 60s. The NX-01 actually looked primitive next to the Defiant.

Strange you should make that claim. As I well recall, the common complaint when Enterprise was on the air was that the NX-01 looked "too advanced" to belong to a period 100-plus years earlier than the Enterprise or Defiant of the Original Series.

The viewscreen technology is imbedded in the window.

Tech we essentially have in 2015, btw.

Do you really believe that the writers and designers should instead pretend it doesn't exist in order to be more faithful to a 1960s version of imagined future technology (which, if one is being honest, wasn't drastically different in appearance from what could already be seen in computer rooms and other high-tech facilities of the time)?

It doesn't make sense to purposely downgrade technology in a vision of humanity's future, all in the name of traditionalism. Even the technological wonders from the later Trek shows have begun to look dated. I love TNG and DS9, but we've long surpassed their information technology, and that's with slick touch screen interfaces. At what point does using jeweled buttons, large metal tactical viewers (Sulu's console pop-up viewer) and CRT monitors make sense?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

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The Kelvin, which predates the timeline split, seems quite in line with the general aesthetic of TOS' time. I can totally see the bridge of the Enterprise being re-created in that style, and it wouldn't (IMHO) violate a stitch of continuity.

 

[Cyke101]

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The NuBridge as some have said looks like a apple store.

It looks nothing like an Apple Store. That's nothing more than a bumper sticker slogan people learned to parrot. At best, it's a feeble attempt at a put-down, intended to dress the actual sentiment of "I don't like it" in more self-important guise.

Strange you should make that claim. As I well recall, the common complaint when Enterprise was on the air was that the NX-01 looked "too advanced" to belong to a period 100-plus years earlier than the Enterprise or Defiant of the Original Series.

The viewscreen technology is imbedded in the window.

Tech we essentially have in 2015, btw.

Do you really believe that the writers and designers should instead pretend it doesn't exist in order to be more faithful to a 1960s version of imagined future technology (which, if one is being honest, wasn't drastically different in appearance from what could already be seen in computer rooms and other high-tech facilities of the time)?

It doesn't make sense to purposely downgrade technology in a vision of humanity's future, all in the name of traditionalism. Even the technological wonders from the later Trek shows have begun to look dated. I love TNG and DS9, but we've long surpassed their information technology, and that's with slick touch screen interfaces. At what point does using jeweled buttons, large metal tactical viewers (Sulu's console pop-up viewer) and CRT monitors make sense?

As long as we evolve to the point of edible gummy candy buttons, I'll be fine.

 

[M'Sharak]

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Bridge Stations: Tactical, Environmental, Science, Communications, Engineering and Jujube.