Is the Doctor the great manipulator?

[Gingerbread Demon]

I've always wondered that.

Is he "The Great Manipulator?"

I mean he never himself uses weapons unless its against things like the hand mines (what a stupid idea) and other non entities but rather he manipulates people into using or being weapons when faced with a living breathing enemy.

He never himself seems to get his hands dirty.

 

[zarkon]

He does it if he needs to - he's killed ogrons and cybermen with guns from memory, but yes, he does seem to like to put events in motion to cause enemies to kill themselves, such as in Remembrance and Saturday's Witches Familiar.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

So yeah I wonder if this season he will get his own hands dirty..

 

[M.A.C.O.]

The Doctor uses weapons all the time.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzmnPs64K74[/yt]

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

It's exactly what Davros accused the Doctor of doing in stolen Earth/Journey's End, fashioning weapons out of others and "making" them do his dirty work.

Probably not a conscious thing, but it seems true.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

OK but all those clips were old Dr Who.. This seems a thing only in New Who hence why I made the topic. But it's always open to interpretation..

 

[stardream]

I remember Rory venting about this in the Vampires of Venice.

 

[Starkers]

I think that's the qualifier, any manipulation is done unconsciously. He inspires people to take up arms, but I expect he was horrified by Davros' inference, even if he saw some truth in it.

Clearly the Doctor does get his hands dirty. Just ask robot guy from Deep Breath or the villain from Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, or the Family of Blood or the Sykorax leader etc etc etc

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

Good video above, though it conspicuously omits the instance he used a machine gun to blow off a Dalek's eyestalk in "Revelation of the Daleks".

Mark

 

[M.A.C.O.]

OK but all those clips were old Dr Who.. This seems a thing only in New Who hence why I made the topic. But it's always open to interpretation..

I was too busy with work to list out all of 9-12's kills. I can do that now though.

Ninth:
Used a vial to destroy Nestene. Rose

Allowed Lady Cassandra to die due to heat of Satellite 5. The End of the World

Gave Mickey the codes to U.N.I.T. and told him to fire a missile at Thames House, in order to destroy the Slitheen family. Aliens of London/World War III

While he didn't kill the Dalek, in Dalek. He did build a gun to destroy it, before the Dalek killed itself.

Same goes with Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways. When the Doctor built Delta Wave to kill all the Daleks, but it would also destroy the human race.


Tenth
The first casualties of 10, would be during the Rise of the Cybermen/Age of Steel. All those Cybermen 10 destroyed through various means.

Ten killed the Racnoss and all her children in The Runaway Bride.

While Ten did not kill the Family of Blood, in Human Nature/The Family of Blood. His methods of imprisoning them and by extension making them immortal was disturbingly cruel.

Finally you have Meta-Crisis 10 killing all the Daleks in Stolen Earth/Journey's End.


Eleven


If you consider the Weeping Angels living beings, the Doctor had them all sucked into one of the cracks in the universe. Time of the Angels/Flesh and Stone

After Amy gets kidnapped, the Doctor scours the Universe looking for her, and blows up a Cyber Legion, while looking for information. A Good Man Goes to War

11 leaves Solomon to his fate in Dinosaur's on a Spaceship.

Finally, 11 combats and fights scores of his enemies on the planet of Christmas for centuries in The Time of The Doctor. The big finale being 11 blowing up a huge Dalek Fleet.


Twelve

Kills that cyborg thing in Deep Breath.

Kills the Sheriff in Robot of Sherwood.


It would take me considerably more time, to outline all the people the Doctor either "manipulated" or inspired to do something violent. When I think of the Doctor being a manipulator, the one that comes to my mind is 7.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

OK but all those clips were old Dr Who.. This seems a thing only in New Who hence why I made the topic. But it's always open to interpretation..

I was too busy with work to list out all of 9-12's kills. I can do that now though.

Ninth:
Used a vial to destroy Nestene. Rose

Allowed Lady Cassandra to die due to heat of Satellite 5. The End of the World

Gave Mickey the codes to U.N.I.T. and told him to fire a missile at Thames House, in order to destroy the Slitheen family. Aliens of London/World War III

While he didn't kill the Dalek, in Dalek. He did build a gun to destroy it, before the Dalek killed itself.

Same goes with Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways. When the Doctor built Delta Wave to kill all the Daleks, but it would also destroy the human race.


Tenth
The first casualties of 10, would be during the Rise of the Cybermen/Age of Steel. All those Cybermen 10 destroyed through various means.

Ten killed the Racnoss and all her children in The Runaway Bride.

While Ten did not kill the Family of Blood, in Human Nature/The Family of Blood. His methods of imprisoning them and by extension making them immortal was disturbingly cruel.

Finally you have Meta-Crisis 10 killing all the Daleks in Stolen Earth/Journey's End.


Eleven


If you consider the Weeping Angels living beings, the Doctor had them all sucked into one of the cracks in the universe. Time of the Angels/Flesh and Stone

After Amy gets kidnapped, the Doctor scours the Universe looking for her, and blows up a Cyber Legion, while looking for information. A Good Man Goes to War

11 leaves Solomon to his fate in Dinosaur's on a Spaceship.

Finally, 11 combats and fights scores of his enemies on the planet of Christmas for centuries in The Time of The Doctor. The big finale being 11 blowing up a huge Dalek Fleet.


Twelve

Kills that cyborg thing in Deep Breath.

Kills the Sheriff in Robot of Sherwood.


It would take me considerably more time, to outline all the people the Doctor either "manipulated" or inspired to do something violent. When I think of the Doctor being a manipulator, the one that comes to my mind is 7.

I stand corrected. But I still think he is a great manipulator of people to do what he can't or won't sometimes..

 

[Iamnotspock]

Tenth
The first casualties of 10, would be during the Rise of the Cybermen/Age of Steel. All those Cybermen 10 destroyed through various means.

The first would be the Sycorax leader, killed with the mighty satsuma.

"No second chances. I'm that sort of a man."

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

But what about the specials? "The End Of Time" where Wilf gives 10 the gun and he makes this big song and dance about not using guns. It just doesn't sit well with me if he has indeed done that in the past. That whole scene felt a bit iffy to me.

 

[MacLeod]

In terms of actual guns, that could be a trait of The Tenth Doctor, just because Ten has a distate for guns doesn't mean that would apply to all incarnations as whilst being the same person they all have slighly different personalites.

 

[JoeZhang]

OK but all those clips were old Dr Who.. This seems a thing only in New Who hence why I made the topic. But it's always open to interpretation..

I was too busy with work to list out all of 9-12's kills. I can do that now though.

SNIP

The War Doctor uses his Tardis to kill multiple Daleks.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Actually a thing that does bug me and it's happened more in "new who" then old who but when a big bad is about to kill them all the Doctor will say something like "look me up" and then suddenly the bad guys give them time....

Like what's that? Is the Doctor that bad ass that bad guys back off when they look him up?

Even River used this ploy in the final episode of series 5 with the stone Dalek.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

Well, to his credit even Moffatt found that plot device to be getting old, to the point that for a while the Doctor was actively trying to erase the evidence of the impact he'd had on the universe to get people to leave him alone. Not that it worked, various bad guys have rarely had a real problem finding him when they had to.

Mark

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Well, to his credit even Moffatt found that plot device to be getting old, to the point that for a while the Doctor was actively trying to erase the evidence of the impact he'd had on the universe to get people to leave him alone. Not that it worked, various bad guys have rarely had a real problem finding him when they had to.

Mark

Yet there was rumour about another big "gang up" of baddies in this series against the Doctor. Isn't that something they did before with the Pandorica?

 

[PorthosShadow]

Well, to his credit even Moffatt found that plot device to be getting old, to the point that for a while the Doctor was actively trying to erase the evidence of the impact he'd had on the universe to get people to leave him alone. Not that it worked, various bad guys have rarely had a real problem finding him when they had to.

Mark

Yet there was rumour about another big "gang up" of baddies in this series against the Doctor. Isn't that something they did before with the Pandorica?

I haven't heard any rumors regarding the return of Gallifrey this season but if it were to return then another gathering ala "The Time Of The Doctor" wouldn't be out of line.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Well, to his credit even Moffatt found that plot device to be getting old, to the point that for a while the Doctor was actively trying to erase the evidence of the impact he'd had on the universe to get people to leave him alone. Not that it worked, various bad guys have rarely had a real problem finding him when they had to.

Mark

Yet there was rumour about another big "gang up" of baddies in this series against the Doctor. Isn't that something they did before with the Pandorica?

I haven't heard any rumors regarding the return of Gallifrey this season but if it were to return then another gathering ala "The Time Of The Doctor" wouldn't be out of line.

I was thinking more a gang up like the end of season 5.. That was just silly.