The D'deridex class warbird looks very little like Romulan BoP, which itself was replaced by the D7 in TOS S3. If anything it looks more like the Klingon BoP. So does it make more sense if the D'deridex has a Klingon background than a Romulan one? I know this is a superspecific question but it always stood out to me how you can see a clear lineage of Human ships from the Constitution to the Sovereign, and of Klingon ones from the D7 to the Negh'Var, yet not the same for the Romulans.
is the D'deridex descended from the D7/K't'inga?
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I guess one could argue the general shape of the body also looks like two Romulan BoPs attached by flipping one over.
I think the problem with Romulan ship evolution lies more in that the Romulans were retconned into being a more major star power than they were depicted in TOS and the later productions just ignored Romulans using Klingons D7s and just sort of fuzzed things up by giving both empires a history of green bird-like ships.
I think the problem with Romulan ship evolution lies more in that the Romulans were retconned into being a more major star power than they were depicted in TOS and the later productions just ignored Romulans using Klingons D7s and just sort of fuzzed things up by giving both empires a history of green bird-like ships.
One of the comics (I think the ones set after TSFS where the character Bearclaw was introduced) had Romulan ships that basically put the wings of the K'tinga on the underside of the nacelles too to mimic the D'deridex look.
*Googles*
This one: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url...ved=0CBIQjRxqFwoTCIj3goWXwoUDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAE
*Googles*
This one: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url...ved=0CBIQjRxqFwoTCIj3goWXwoUDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAE
I think holdovers from Vulcan designs, with open spaces were a retro influence
https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Merchant_class_(Vulcan)
The D-7 with lower hull was a throw-back perhaps to common ringships.
The Cobra head they kept…SFB’s Condor and FASA’s NOVA especially seem pointing towards the Warbird even though both came long before TNG.
https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Merchant_class_(Vulcan)
The D-7 with lower hull was a throw-back perhaps to common ringships.
The Cobra head they kept…SFB’s Condor and FASA’s NOVA especially seem pointing towards the Warbird even though both came long before TNG.
What I'm guessing is the weapons pod looks like an 8-track player.
I actually think it looks more like 2 Klingon BoPs in that position
Agreed. the portrayal of the Romulans was inconsistent, and tbh Picard made it seem like how they originally were: a small power
Dyk when this comic came out? that's such an odd design
ironic how it took us until TNG to get a starship design for the OG Star Trek alien species
thanks, this is informative
Link to one of her comic appearances on Memory Beta (not sure if was the first) - these comics ran from 1984-1996 (this one is from 1993):
https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Time_Crime
thanks. i guess this was an attempt to reconcile the 2. we never actually see what the Romulans use between the D7 and the D'deridex
There’s also this ship model from the Earth-Romulan War for those that like.
I forget where I read it but there was something about Romulan spies stealing Federation ship designs and the Constitution-like nacelles and saucer-like body of the Romulan BoP being derived from that.
Doesn’t make as much sense seeing a similar ship on ENT predating that.
I forget where I read it but there was something about Romulan spies stealing Federation ship designs and the Constitution-like nacelles and saucer-like body of the Romulan BoP being derived from that.
Doesn’t make as much sense seeing a similar ship on ENT predating that.
True. And it makes even less sense for 22nd century Klingons to be using Birds of Prey, considering that their alliance with the Romulans wasn't until 100 years later, so they would have no reason to have ships resembling birds in the 2150's. The fact that ENT showed this essentially means that two completely different alien races have a bird motif in common with their ships for no reason whatsoever.
It also made no sense for the 22nd century Romulans to possess cloaking devices on their ships. But ENT showed that as well for no real good reason.
Part of the reason I don’t like ENT. They just couldn’t help themselves. Romulan ships (with cloaks and warp) that look 24th century, Federation ships that look 24th century, Ferengi, Borg, Gorn, dickhead Vulcans (in oversized ring ships) only explained in s4, Klingon/Romulan issues, the fact that Hoshi (a master linguist and comms officer) literally heard the word Romulan and couldn’t pronounce it, that the Romulans call *themselves Romulan not Rihannsu or something completely different, on and on. I get it, it’s an alternate interpretation of the 22nd century forced upon us by a studio that wanted more of the same tried and true Star Trek that they already knew. Don’t care.
I guess we just have to imagine that there were a *series of alliances between the Klingons and the Romulans over the centuries and not think too long in it.
I guess we just have to imagine that there were a *series of alliances between the Klingons and the Romulans over the centuries and not think too long in it.
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Didn't the Klingon BoP start as a Romulan ship?
Ya I believe the Romulans were meant to be the antagonists in ST3. Then they were changed to the more popular and theatrical Klingons. And the ship was supposed to be stolen from Romulans but that was dropped too
By TNG, the Romulans return with the huge D'deridex and the klingons use the BoP
That’s how they got around it but why should the Mirror Starfleet have any more contact with the Gorn than ours? It’s “mirror” because the same characters act differently.
Not necessarily. The aggressive expansion of the Terrans could've led them into Gorn space earliee
In an alternate universe, yes, but this is the Mirror Universe. It's the whole conceit of the episode. Of the trope. Unlike in "Yesterday's Enterprise" where Worf wasn't at tactical...otherwise he'd have been, say, a traitor to his own peace-loving people who had been "re-educated" as a child by his Terran abductors.
What are you on about? It's an alternate universe. Just one were humans started a brutal expansionist empire.
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