Is the bridge at a funny angle?

[NCC-73515]

FJ stuff has appeared onscreen and is well known.

does that make the entire book canon? has the bridge schematic appeared on screen?

The canon versions of that shot are meaningless because neither version (TOS and TOS-R) offer any evidence on the bridge's orientation. In either shot, neither the bridge faces forward nor does the turbolift line up with the nub. The only evidence the canon shots provide is that the bridge is located in the upper dome of the ship.

how can something from canon that answers the question of this thread be meaningless? what they show is an intermediate orientation between 0 rotation and the FJ interpretation.

 

[F. King Daniel]

does that make the entire book canon? has the bridge schematic appeared on screen?

The bridge graphic with offset appeared on-screen in TMP

 

[Maurice]

The bridge graphic with offset appeared on-screen in TMP

Canon.

 

[Phaser Two]

Nothing's wrong with it. It's a fine idea.

One of the things that gets some fans hung up about it (not me, though) is the literal size of everything that's required to make it all fit together. That 947 feet is a problem, whether you're married to the number or not. If we're willing to just let things be the right size so it will work, then it's not as big a deal. Or, you solve the 947' problem by just sinking the bridge down half a deck. Those are the talking points in a nutshell, if I've followed all the bouncing balls.

I have not, so please remind me, if you don't mind - so with the little jog, the 947'-figure cannot be reconciled?

If the answer to the above is "yes," then can't Deck Two - science labs, if I recall correctly, and some "guest quarters" that apparently take a turbolift two or three minutes to reach from the bridge as we saw in The Enterprise Incident - have a portion cut out of the center to accommodate the sunken portion of the bridge? (Hey, maybe the turbolift has to take some special, two-or-three-minute route to reach Deck Two because of this problem!)

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I have not, so please remind me, if you don't mind - so with the little jog, the 947'-figure cannot be reconciled?

If the answer to the above is "yes," then can't Deck Two - science labs, if I recall correctly, and some "guest quarters" that apparently take a turbolift two or three minutes to reach from the bridge as we saw in The Enterprise Incident - have a portion cut out of the center to accommodate the sunken portion of the bridge? (Hey, maybe the turbolift has to take some special, two-or-three-minute route to reach Deck Two because of this problem!)

I meant to imply that, yeah, Deck 2 would have to give up the space. The idea isn't to move any other decks, just move Deck 1 down half a deck (or so) into the middle of Deck 2.

However, this isn't my area of expertise at all! I've never gone down the rabbit hole of trying to make it all fit together with models (whether they be CGI, physical, or any other kind). I think opinions are given in-thread about it, but, yeah, it's now, I'd call it, a long thread to pore over. Maybe this bump can get those with more specific knowledge to recap their findings and/or knowledge for us?

As observed already (upthread, I believe), the sunken bridge is indeed what is shown in the cutaway figure in The Making of Star Trek. I just looked at the figure in the book with a magnifying glass. Yeah, the bridge is indeed sunken halfway or so into the deck below.

Personally, I'm not thrilled about the sunken bridge idea, though. The relevant exterior features on the ship model just scream that this is the bridge to me, not its chapeau. But, hey, it's in the cutaway, so it would seem at least that Jefferies was conscious of the size issues.

 

[Mytran]

With an Enterprise 947' long the Bridge and turbolift (offset 36 degrees) fits snugly into the dome and nub with no room to spare. In fact the height of the nub on the 11' model is slightly too short for the turbolift, so already it would have to drop into Deck 2 by a couple of feet at least.
So; to have enough space for the Bridge to face forwards and the turbolift to slide around a bit, the whole of Deck 1 would have to drop down entirely into Deck 2. The curved edges of the dome just don't have enough space any other way.

 

[BK613]

@CorporalCaptain Without getting into dimensions, it is my understanding that, for the same-sized ship, the bridge has to sink farther for the bridge-forward option than it does for the bridge-canted option.

ninja'd by @Mytran

 

[CorporalCaptain]

The bridge graphic with offset appeared on-screen in TMP

Does anybody have a screen-grab of this?

 

[BK613]

Does anybody have a screen-grab of this?

Try this post:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/is-the-bridge-at-a-funny-angle.306619/page-2#post-13632063

 

[NCC-73515]

The bridge graphic with offset appeared on-screen in TMP

Ok, I thought it was just the ships and some deeper deck plans.
So then the answer still is: yes, the bridge is at a funny angle.

 

[fireproof78]

The real bridge will be installed on Tuesday.

 

[Phaser Two]

Okay, rather than reread the thread, it's easier at this point just to recapitulate and ask my questions (as I may not have read the thread much the first time around). Anyone annoyed by this can see me for an appointment on Tuesday.

So, when did FJ produce this? https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/sftm/01-06-10.jpg

Was it after TAS? Because it doesn't look from the FJ prints like there's any way that the secondary exit is covered up in such a way that can be reconciled with shots of that area of the bridge in live action.

 

[NCC-73515]

Try this post:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/is-the-bridge-at-a-funny-angle.306619/page-2#post-13632063

Well... that's just a small part of the schematic, with no indication what it shows, and it doesn't include the "offset" label, or even the parts of the bridge that show the offset (the captain's chair, main consoles, and viewscreen)... or did it move in that scene to include the rest?

 

[BK613]

Well... that's just a small part of the schematic, with no indication what it shows, and it doesn't include the "offset" label, or even the parts of the bridge that show the offset (the captain's chair, main consoles, and viewscreen)... or did it move in that scene to include the rest?

And, yet the step and railing are offset...

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Try this post:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/is-the-bridge-at-a-funny-angle.306619/page-2#post-13632063

Outstanding, thank you!

No question about it. It was taken from the FJTM "Main Bridge Deck 1 Plan...."

 

[publiusr]

I think so. The view screen, repurposed from the pilots, was also part of the season 1 briefing room configuration.

You might have seen blueprints for “The Doomsday Machine,” or another episode.
This image, purportedly from “Journey to Babel,”

show the rec room. Other prints have that space down as the briefing room, complete with conference table.

It seems likely that this set was redressed as auxiliary control with elements borrowed from engineering.

The old Huffman High School was a dome building….it would have been perfect for those sets…sigh

 

[Spaceship Jo]

I've always gone with the "the ceilings aren't really that high, just soundstage standards" mode of thought, so I imagine the lift is directly behind the captain "in universe", and the opposite when I make my models of the exterior: I put the nub at the funny angle or put on two nubs to mimic the TMP placement. Which is all kind of funny to me, as I'm perfectly fine with the bridge being at an angle, it's just that I know it wasn't the intent, so I cheat.

In answer to the question though, for purposes of "the ceilings ARE really that high" mode of thought, the bridge IS at a funny angle, no two ways about it (and no real problems with that).

 

[GNDN18]

the ceilings ARE really that high

Based on the visual evidence, they are pretty high.

It seems that the cap seen in WNMHGB was removed for the crane shot in “The Galileo Seven,” but either way…

…cathedral ceilings usually mean a higher resale value.

 

[The Old Mixer]

And higher electric bills.

 

[GNDN18]

And higher electric bills.

I’m never selling a house with you.