You haven't. Would you like to? Did you know that rotating the bridge off center is a clear indication that Starfleet is a military that uses money?Have I mentioned how glad I am this thread is back?
Is the bridge at a funny angle?
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In addition to the island rotated, the main view screen was moved to the port side as well resulting in one less port-side station. Depending on how you look at it, either the turbolift was relocated to keep the main viewer centerline or the viewer (and bridge) was rotated even more to the port if the turbolift is centerline.
I don't think the center island was lined up with the viewscreen. At least it's not in this shot.
https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x03hd/wherenomanhasgonebeforehd038.jpg
And here's a series of caps illustrating the port sections you mentioned.
https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x03hd/wherenomanhasgonebeforehd190.jpg
https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x03hd/wherenomanhasgonebeforehd193.jpg
https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x03hd/wherenomanhasgonebeforehd196.jpg
https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x03hd/wherenomanhasgonebeforehd197.jpg
Looks like the two and a half found in the series to me.
https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x18hd/arenahd267.jpg
In WNHGB, the center island is ticked clockwise half a section, which resulted in the aft end not centered on Comms(Uhura's station) and the front not centered on the viewscreen.
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Yeah, the island was rotated half a slice to port and the viewscreen was rotated i think a full slice to port. If you look at this screencap you can see the port-side railing forward of the helm is shorter by one section compared to the other rails.
https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x03hd/wherenomanhasgonebeforehd196.jpg
So it's like the helmsman has the viewscreen offset for just him and the navigator doesn't get a view
Edit: Found an earlier diagram of this. Please ignore the unknown section as we do see it when Kirk enters the bridge.
Edit Correction: It looks like the island and rails were rotated to starboard (facing forward) by half-a-slice and the forward port railing was reduced by a segment.
https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x03hd/wherenomanhasgonebeforehd196.jpg
So it's like the helmsman has the viewscreen offset for just him and the navigator doesn't get a view
Edit: Found an earlier diagram of this. Please ignore the unknown section as we do see it when Kirk enters the bridge.
Edit Correction: It looks like the island and rails were rotated to starboard (facing forward) by half-a-slice and the forward port railing was reduced by a segment.
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I mean, it's not like the navigator does anything...So it's like the helmsman has the viewscreen offset for just him and the navigator doesn't get a view
LOL. Although in WNMHGB, Mitchell did control the warp drive and the intercom while holding the yeoman's hand during a critical point in the crossing.
An intercom with a flatscreen touch/swipe control based on Gary's hand motion.
Yes, but he was an exceptional person with high ESP ratings. No one else could do thatLOL. Although in WNMHGB, Mitchell did control the warp drive and the intercom while holding the yeoman's hand during a critical point in the crossing.
Yes, but he was an exceptional person with high ESP ratings. No one else could do that
I disagree with that assessment. I'm not looking a the rails, I'm looking at the stations. The rails changed from the first pilot to the second pilot to the series.Yeah, the island was rotated half a slice to port and the viewscreen was rotated i think a full slice to port. If you look at this screencap you can see the port-side railing forward of the helm is shorter by one section compared to the other rails.
https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x03hd/wherenomanhasgonebeforehd196.jpg
So it's like the helmsman has the viewscreen offset for just him and the navigator doesn't get a view
Edit: Found an earlier diagram of this. Please ignore the unknown section as we do see it when Kirk enters the bridge.
We do know that the flat panel was there.
https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x03hd/wherenomanhasgonebeforehd231.jpg
https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x06hd/thedoomsdaymachinehd0047.jpg
https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x06hd/thedoomsdaymachinehd0048.jpg
You're correct. I've updated my post. This is what I'm seeing now looking at it: "It looks like the island and rails were rotated to starboard (facing forward) by half-a-slice and the forward port railing was reduced by a segment."
I remember working on one of these kits back in the 90's while talking heads were discussing if Bill Clinton had a chance at the Oval Office in the background on the tube.
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1...U1pCUAQjJkEegQIDBAC&biw=1213&bih=546&dpr=1.13
I've no idea where that kit went over the years, but I remember arranging and rearranging the stations into non-canon configurations.
A new edition is available.
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1...U1pCUAQjJkEegQIDBAC&biw=1213&bih=546&dpr=1.13
I've no idea where that kit went over the years, but I remember arranging and rearranging the stations into non-canon configurations.
A new edition is available.
I thought that Mitchell was the helmsman, and that in the second pilot the helm was on the right.LOL. Although in WNMHGB, Mitchell did control the warp drive and the intercom while holding the yeoman's hand during a critical point in the crossing.
Kelso is the helmsman and Mitchell the navigator, or at least that story's equivalent of José Tyler from the previous Pilot episode.
The two go together. Looks good on film and saves time and money. It came up that having the viewscreen in the background might require FX which means money. So shuffling things to avoid that saves time, money, and ends up looking good on film for a short shot. But you are focusing on the wrong thing. To understand why they did things you have to stop thinking like a detail minded fan and think like a money and time detail minded producer/director. Then it all makes sense.
I'm not sure they had really established that yet. A lot of what we understand about the functions came over time. They didn't even have Starfleet or the Federation when they started the series.
That's another good observation. It is possible that the left and right station could be the helmsman. Or that the helmsman isn't Mitchell or Kelso.
At the beginning of the episode, Mitchell relieves a blue shirt (Alden) on the right station and Kelso is on the left station.
On approach to Delta Vega the blue shirt (Alden) is back on the right station.
And at the end of the episode, a blue shirt is on the left station and Scotty is on the right station.
But during the entry into the barrier, Kirk orders Mitchell and Kelso by name and then calls out to the "helmsman" or was it "helmsmen?" to "take us out of here" and again for "lateral power". Perhaps Mitchell and Kelso are both a helmsman or there is a helmsman at a different station?
The reason for the odd layout in WNMHGB is (I suspect) similar to the reasons for the other variations mentioned elsewhere on this thread - easier camera shots!
By arranging the Bridge in this way, it meant that the wedge next to Spock's station could be slid out in order to fit the camera equipment in, but without disturbing the hand rail. They hadn't got around to painting the edge of Spock's console black yet though:
Considering that this is their first attempt at creating a more versatile set (the hand rail in The Cage lacked the side openings) it's a valiant effort, but I can see why they returned to the more viewscreen-centred layout when the series went into production, and simply removed the end of the handrail adjacent to Spock's station when such shots were required:
By arranging the Bridge in this way, it meant that the wedge next to Spock's station could be slid out in order to fit the camera equipment in, but without disturbing the hand rail. They hadn't got around to painting the edge of Spock's console black yet though:
Considering that this is their first attempt at creating a more versatile set (the hand rail in The Cage lacked the side openings) it's a valiant effort, but I can see why they returned to the more viewscreen-centred layout when the series went into production, and simply removed the end of the handrail adjacent to Spock's station when such shots were required:
It is interesting that in WNMHGB that short handrail has both end extensions (stubs) because they knew it would be in the shot but The Naked Time short rail behind Spock is missing the stub on one end as if the production did not mean to have that left side picked up on camera.
Edit: although we see the front rail in an interesting rotated position in front of the helm station a little later. Seems that alot of the wedges were removed and not just the one next to Spock's station...
Edit: although we see the front rail in an interesting rotated position in front of the helm station a little later. Seems that alot of the wedges were removed and not just the one next to Spock's station...
The reason for the odd layout in WNMHGB is (I suspect) similar to the reasons for the other variations mentioned elsewhere on this thread - easier camera shots!
By arranging the Bridge in this way, it meant that the wedge next to Spock's station could be slid out in order to fit the camera equipment in, but without disturbing the hand rail. They hadn't got around to painting the edge of Spock's console black yet though:
Considering that this is their first attempt at creating a more versatile set (the hand rail in The Cage lacked the side openings) it's a valiant effort, but I can see why they returned to the more viewscreen-centred layout when the series went into production, and simply removed the end of the handrail adjacent to Spock's station when such shots were required:
Everything between Spock's station and the view screen was added after The Cage. And they also changed sound stages, and at some point I believe they completely revamped the bridge sets.
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