Is the bridge at a funny angle?

[J. Random Redshirt]

Anyone have a quick link to that Doomsday walk in screencaps?

YouTube: Kirk walks the *other way* around the bridge - Star Trek Original Series, Doomsday Machine

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As others have suggested, it appears that Spock was standing at the next station (Nav station), perhaps for lighting or other reasons relating to composing the shot (which means they must have moved his blue-light scanner-monitor thingy to the other station as well).

 

[ZapBrannigan]

As others have suggested, it appears that Spock was standing at the next station (Nav station), perhaps for lighting or other reasons relating to composing the shot (which means they must have moved his blue-light scanner-monitor thingy to the other station as well).

In universe, with what we know today, Spock's hooded viewer could be portable. But that begs the question of why people had to lean over it, inviting the mother of all back aches, instead of just sitting down and tilting it toward their eyes. And can you imagine being a woman in her micro-mini uniform and having to bend over that viewer half the time? If I were the captain, I'd be swiveling right all day and in my dreams. "Just to be sure, let's uhh... let's have some more sensor readings, Lieutenant."

The first few times I saw 2001: A Space Odyssey, I thought the iPad-sized flat screen monitors aboard Discovery were built into the (literal, furniture) desktop, and they swiveled a bit but were not portable. I just couldn't imagine the technology. But now it appears the movie was suggesting something a lot like the tablet computers we take for granted now.

 

[cooleddie74]

The production design on 2001 was visionary in so many ways. It's a shame that the movie was produced so late in the game and cost so much that a network sci-fi series of that era like TOS would never get to benefit from using those ideas and even visuals.

 

[Commander Troi]

Where are those threads? I'm not seeing them?

My smile emojis didn't show. Sorry.

 

[plynch]

I don't mind thread drift, and I like the discussion about Flint and the model. My $.02.

 

[jackoverfull]

In universe, with what we know today, Spock's hooded viewer could be portable. But that begs the question of why people had to lean over it, inviting the mother of all back aches, instead of just sitting down and tilting it toward their eyes. And can you imagine being a woman in her micro-mini uniform and having to bend over that viewer half the time? If I were the captain, I'd be swiveling right all day and in my dreams. "Just to be sure, let's uhh... let's have some more sensor readings, Lieutenant."

The first few times I saw 2001: A Space Odyssey, I thought the iPad-sized flat screen monitors aboard Discovery were built into the (literal, furniture) desktop, and they swiveled a bit but were not portable. I just couldn't imagine the technology. But now it appears the movie was suggesting something a lot like the tablet computers we take for granted now.

the book even had newspapers with articles that updated in real time thanks to a network.

 

[Maurice]

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As others have suggested, it appears that Spock was standing at the next station (Nav station), perhaps for lighting or other reasons relating to composing the shot (which means they must have moved his blue-light scanner-monitor thingy to the other station as well).

Nope. That's Spock's station. Only his and Uhura's have two viewers overhead.

 

[Maurice]

My smile emojis didn't show. Sorry.

You have to use the BBS emojis.

 

[Commander Troi]

You have to use the BBS emojis.
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Ah! Thanks!

 

[Mres_was_framed!]

I don't recall ever seeing a door there in TAS, nor did they ever show the console missing like in TOS (because being animated, they didn't have to!)

There is a shot for that makes it look like there is a door on Spock's side, or instead one that would between Bridge Engineering and Environmental Engineering. The second one is more common and is often used when Sulu is shown, but it might have been supposed to be the either of the the other exits, just shown from an odd angle. The one that looks like it is next to Spock is more rare and perhaps someone else can find it.

Or perhaps that's what they mean when they say that in the future you'll be able to change your gender like you change your shoes.

This is not an error of the gender of the helmsman but simply an error of where LT Hadley is sitting in the two shots

In universe, with what we know today, Spock's hooded viewer could be portable.

It seems hard to believe that stations themselves would be put back in a different order as that seems like a lot of work, but I suppose we could instead assume that the library computer and scanner are at all the stations and we just don't see them "extended" all the time. The could "retract" like Sulu's and we just don't "see" the effect. That would be like the Bridge getting larger and smaller, the round balls on the nacelles going away, and so on.

 

[Mres_was_framed!]

My preferred theory is that the bridge turns to raise and lower it as needed for some feature we don't fully understand. So perhaps dome up (large dome) as seen in the pilot version of the model faces forward, but dome down (small dome, partially submerged deck) as seen in the series version of the model is 36 degrees to port...or vice versa. Actually vice versa might make more sense with battle footage.

Think of how this could look with modern effects. Red alert and the bridge lowers into the ship, or raises out of it, the deflector dish changers size, spikes retract on the nacelles, etc?

Is the Bridge at an angle? How about--sometimes?

 

[ZapBrannigan]

Nope. That's Spock's station. Only his and Uhura's have two viewers overhead.

Agreed. There are some photos of Nichelle Nichols prancing around in front of set pieces, and two of them show a detached bridge segment with a kind of wheeled jack in front of it. Apparently the bridge perimeter sections were moved by jacking them up a couple of inches, and the jacks had wheels so the section could easily be pushed around the sound stage. They put the Library Computer station in the Navigation spot for that set-up in "The Doomsday Machine."

 

[Mres_was_framed!]

Agreed. There are some photos of Nichelle Nichols prancing around in front of set pieces, and two of them show a detached bridge segment with a kind of wheeled jack in front of it. Apparently the bridge perimeter sections were moved by jacking them up a couple of inches, and the jacks had wheels so the section could easily be pushed around the sound stage. They put the Library Computer station in the Navigation spot for that set-up in "The Doomsday Machine."

To your point and the person you quoted, the off-screen evidence is that it is Spock's station in another place. I was suggesting an in-universe explanation, of course. Does anyone have a link to the images in order to the way the pieces were moved?

 

[cooleddie74]

A more modular bridge layout could help explain why the bridge lost a turbolift shaft before TOS and then regained one by TAS. A turboshaft opening could have been there but blocked off by hull plating and circuitry for the bridge station that replaced it, then by the time of TAS it was reopened to service by a turbolift car.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

A more modular bridge layout could help explain why the bridge lost a turbolift shaft before TOS and then regained one by TAS. A turboshaft opening could have been there but blocked off by hull plating and circuitry for the bridge station that replaced it, then by the time of TAS it was reopened to service by a turbolift car.

It could be that that's where Kirk kept the Omega 13, something that, well, not every Connie had. He probably felt having that on board was worth the loss of the secondary exit.

 

[cooleddie74]

 

[GNDN18]

A more modular bridge layout could help explain why the bridge lost a turbolift shaft before TOS and then regained one by TAS. A turboshaft opening could have been there but blocked off by hull plating and circuitry for the bridge station that replaced it, then by the time of TAS it was reopened to service by a turbolift car.

 

[Maurice]

Agreed. There are some photos of Nichelle Nichols prancing around in front of set pieces, and two of them show a detached bridge segment with a kind of wheeled jack in front of it. Apparently the bridge perimeter sections were moved by jacking them up a couple of inches, and the jacks had wheels so the section could easily be pushed around the sound stage. They put the Library Computer station in the Navigation spot for that set-up in "The Doomsday Machine."

Everything from the viewer to the navigation station were routinely pushed off to one side. For that shot I'll bet they just left out one station and didn't move Spock's at all.

As to those photos of Nichelle (link).

 

[ZapBrannigan]

Everything from the viewer to the navigation station were routinely pushed off to one side. For that shot I'll bet they just left out one station and didn't move Spock's at all.

That's entirely possible, but it would mean they slid in six visible bridge sections (from Engineering at port through Defense at starboard, inclusive) all in their wrong spots relative to the Command Module. The six sections would all be positioned "one section's worth" too far clockwise.

As I picture it, I just think it would be easier, when assembling the seldom in-place starboard side, to omit Navigation and slide Spock's station counter-clockwise over to that spot. That way, you don't have to rotate Engineering, Environmental, the half-station, the main viewer, and so on.

All we really know is, Marc Daniels wanted to get that shot without too long a walk for Kirk, so Finnerman, the electricians, and stage hands had to get things in place.

 

[Maurice]

That's entirely possible, but it would mean they slid in six visible bridge sections (from Engineering at port through Defense at starboard, inclusive) all in their wrong spots relative to the Command Module. The six sections would all be positioned "one section's worth" too far clockwise.

As I picture it, I just think it would be easier, when assembling the seldom in-place starboard side, to omit Navigation and slide Spock's station counter-clockwise over to that spot. That way, you don't have to rotate Engineering, Environmental, the half-station, the main viewer, and so on.

All we really know is, Marc Daniels wanted to get that shot without too long a walk for Kirk, so Finnerman, the electricians, and stage hands had to get things in place.

I had only looked at the clip posted upthread which did not include the part where the shot picks up from the helm and follows the woman to Kirk. That being the case, yes, they moved Spock's station.