Is the bridge at a funny angle?

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  1. publiusr

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    I think you can make a case for three exits. I think TAS might even have had a door there.
     
  2. cooleddie74

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    On the one hand when Kirk looks into the viewscreen in"Requiem for Methuselah(TOS)" he's looking in from the side so...that tells you a lot. So does the placement of the turboshaft "bump" on the bridge module. On the other hand...with the producers who knows sometimes.
     
  3. Mytran

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    I don't recall ever seeing a door there in TAS, nor did they ever show the console missing like in TOS (because being animated, they didn't have to!)
    I like the idea of an extra exit on the TOS Bridge and have no objection to a "slide-away" console next to Spock. However, I'll have to come up with a way for the handrail to change as well :whistle:

    To be more accurate Kirk stands over the miniaturised ship, so perhaps he was supposed to be peering in through the dome?
    https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x19hd/requiemformethuselahhd1159.jpg
    However, that scene is all kinds of weird - even if Kirk peers in from the top, he is presented in the episode as observing the crew (who are frozen in place while the consoles are still active BTW) from the main viewscreen like it is a big window.

    The various oddities of the scene just act as more evidence to the notion that Kirk et al were infected by Rigellian fever when they beamed down and were hallucinating more and more things as the episode wore on ;)
     
  4. Henoch

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    Good point. Like the female helms person changing into a man as Kirk looks into the bridge...I guess he didn't remember who was on duty and just expected to see a man, so, he hallucinated a man at the helm position. ;)
    https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x19hd/requiemformethuselahhd1153.jpg
    https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x19hd/requiemformethuselahhd1157.jpg
     
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  5. jackoverfull

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    Or perhaps that's what they mean when they say that in the future you'll be able to change your gender like you change your shoes.
     
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  6. Mytran

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    Nah, it's something to do with the helm console itself - it's always producing weird optical illusions like transforming Chekov into a random crewman or making the S3 uniforms appear like the S1/S2 ones :devil:
     
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  7. cooleddie74

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    The viewscreens-should-be-big-windows advocates should use this as proof that viewscreens in this era weren't just giant flatscreen TVs since it's about the only time before Trek 2009 that anyone in-universe looks like they treat them that way. :lol: I'd just as soon they never make them jagged-shaped windows with pop-ups projected onto the surface but, hey, I'm not running the franchise.
     
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    This thread has a wide range. I love it.
     
  9. blssdwlf

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    Kirk was most likely mourning over the loss of his crew, now shrunk down and assumed to be dead according to Kirk's dialogue ("My crew"). He could not see his crew and assumed the worse from looking at the shrunk down ship. If Kirk could actually see his crew he'd ask about why they were frozen (suspended) - which has happened to them in the past - and not immediately assume they were dead. As for the main view screen we can see the ship's systems are not frozen so it does appear to be reasonable for the visual sensors to focus and lock onto Kirk's eyes as it is perfectly aligned and stabilized on him even though he is on the port side of the ship. It was nice of Flint to provide a stand for the ship to prevent it from rolling onto one side.

    KIRK: [Calls on communicator] Clear out of the area. Inform Starfleet Command. Enterprise? Scotty?
    [Shrunk Enterprise beams in]
    FLINT: They cannot answer, Captain.
    [Kirk looks down at the Enterprise]
    KIRK: My crew.
    FLINT: The test of power. You had no chance. It is time for you to join your crew.
    KIRK: You'd wipe out four hundred lives? Why?
    FLINT: I have seen a hundred billion fall. I know death better than any man. I have tossed enemies into his grasp. And I know mercy. Your crew is not dead, but suspended.
    KIRK: Worse than dead! Restore them. Restore my ship!​
     
  10. CorporalCaptain

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    Maybe it's just another example of how smart viewscreens are in the future. Flint's can reposition itself all on its own for romantic close-ups. Perhaps the Enterprise's is smart enough to know that there's a titanic being looming over the ship. Maybe it even recognizes Kirk, and it's helpfully trying to show this to the acting captain. Maybe the ship is twice shy after being groped by Apollo.

    :shrug: :ouch: :shifty: :techman:
     
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  11. Boris Skrbic

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    I don’t. “Is the bridge at a funny angle?” Not according to DSC it’s not. Not on any other ship it’s not. Not according to Bob Justman it’s not. The End.
     
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  12. Maurice

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    Where did Justman say that?

    +Death of the author.
     
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    When 8 year old me watched "Methuselah" first run in '69, Kirk looking into the bridge through the viewscreen confused the hell out of me. Well, which is it, a viewscreen or a window?!?

    Robert
     
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  15. Maurice

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    Thanks.

    Still a secondhand account about something from decades before the question was posed, ergo not definitive answer. Jefferies would've been the more authoritative source. But, still, Death of the Author. :)
     
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    Yeah, this derail has to end here. But thanks for playing. :techman:

     
  17. Maurice

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    Competent perhaps. I see nothing to indicate he could "excel" at either.
     
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    Thank you
     
  19. publiusr

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    “Well, which is it, a viewscreen or a window?!?”

    To confuse things more, I seem to remember some work on non lens optics. You could have two membranes. On on the outside of the bridge “blister” one on the inside as the view plate. No window to speak of. That waited ‘till ‘09.
     
  20. Commander Troi

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    Where are those threads? I'm not seeing them?

    Heh. I might have to start the Is Starfleet a Military one.