Is the bridge at a funny angle?

[publiusr]

The second exit in TAS was not on the same side of the Bridge as Spock's station. However, since the Bridge set was built to allow individual segments to be removed (to make filming easier) and several episodes show Spock with his hand curled around the edge of the console (showing that there's a gap in-universe) some fans have postulated that there might be an additional exit to the Bridge behind one of the lesser-used consoles. Here's how that might look in the TAs configuration, with both a full wedge removed (as on the filming set) and a theoretical half wedge removed which makes for a more normal sized doorway:

I think you can make a case for three exits. I think TAS might even have had a door there.

 

[cooleddie74]

On the one hand when Kirk looks into the viewscreen in"Requiem for Methuselah(TOS)" he's looking in from the side so...that tells you a lot. So does the placement of the turboshaft "bump" on the bridge module. On the other hand...with the producers who knows sometimes.

 

[Mytran]

I think you can make a case for three exits. I think TAS might even have had a door there.

I don't recall ever seeing a door there in TAS, nor did they ever show the console missing like in TOS (because being animated, they didn't have to!)
I like the idea of an extra exit on the TOS Bridge and have no objection to a "slide-away" console next to Spock. However, I'll have to come up with a way for the handrail to change as well

On the one hand when Kirk looks into the viewscreen in"Requiem for Methuselah(TOS)" he's looking in from the side so...that tells you a lot. So does the placement of the turboshaft "bump" on the bridge module. On the other hand...with the producers who knows sometimes.

To be more accurate Kirk stands over the miniaturised ship, so perhaps he was supposed to be peering in through the dome?
https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x19hd/requiemformethuselahhd1159.jpg
However, that scene is all kinds of weird - even if Kirk peers in from the top, he is presented in the episode as observing the crew (who are frozen in place while the consoles are still active BTW) from the main viewscreen like it is a big window.

The various oddities of the scene just act as more evidence to the notion that Kirk et al were infected by Rigellian fever when they beamed down and were hallucinating more and more things as the episode wore on

 

[Henoch]

The various oddities of the scene just act as more evidence to the notion that Kirk et al were infected by Rigellian fever when they beamed down and were hallucinating more and more things as the episode wore on

Good point. Like the female helms person changing into a man as Kirk looks into the bridge...I guess he didn't remember who was on duty and just expected to see a man, so, he hallucinated a man at the helm position.
https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x19hd/requiemformethuselahhd1153.jpg
https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x19hd/requiemformethuselahhd1157.jpg

 

[jackoverfull]

Or perhaps that's what they mean when they say that in the future you'll be able to change your gender like you change your shoes.

 

[Mytran]

Good point. Like the female helms person changing into a man as Kirk looks into the bridge...I guess he didn't remember who was on duty and just expected to see a man, so, he hallucinated a man at the helm position.
https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x19hd/requiemformethuselahhd1153.jpg
https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x19hd/requiemformethuselahhd1157.jpg

Nah, it's something to do with the helm console itself - it's always producing weird optical illusions like transforming Chekov into a random crewman or making the S3 uniforms appear like the S1/S2 ones

 

[cooleddie74]

I don't recall ever seeing a door there in TAS, nor did they ever show the console missing like in TOS (because being animated, they didn't have to!)
I like the idea of an extra exit on the TOS Bridge and have no objection to a "slide-away" console next to Spock. However, I'll have to come up with a way for the handrail to change as well

To be more accurate Kirk stands over the miniaturised ship, so perhaps he was supposed to be peering in through the dome?
https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x19hd/requiemformethuselahhd1159.jpg
However, that scene is all kinds of weird - even if Kirk peers in from the top, he is presented in the episode as observing the crew (who are frozen in place while the consoles are still active BTW) from the main viewscreen like it is a big window.

The various oddities of the scene just act as more evidence to the notion that Kirk et al were infected by Rigellian fever when they beamed down and were hallucinating more and more things as the episode wore on

The viewscreens-should-be-big-windows advocates should use this as proof that viewscreens in this era weren't just giant flatscreen TVs since it's about the only time before Trek 2009 that anyone in-universe looks like they treat them that way. I'd just as soon they never make them jagged-shaped windows with pop-ups projected onto the surface but, hey, I'm not running the franchise.

 

[Tallguy]

This thread has a wide range. I love it.

 

[blssdwlf]

To be more accurate Kirk stands over the miniaturised ship, so perhaps he was supposed to be peering in through the dome?
https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x19hd/requiemformethuselahhd1159.jpg
However, that scene is all kinds of weird - even if Kirk peers in from the top, he is presented in the episode as observing the crew (who are frozen in place while the consoles are still active BTW) from the main viewscreen like it is a big window.

Kirk was most likely mourning over the loss of his crew, now shrunk down and assumed to be dead according to Kirk's dialogue ("My crew"). He could not see his crew and assumed the worse from looking at the shrunk down ship. If Kirk could actually see his crew he'd ask about why they were frozen (suspended) - which has happened to them in the past - and not immediately assume they were dead. As for the main view screen we can see the ship's systems are not frozen so it does appear to be reasonable for the visual sensors to focus and lock onto Kirk's eyes as it is perfectly aligned and stabilized on him even though he is on the port side of the ship. It was nice of Flint to provide a stand for the ship to prevent it from rolling onto one side.

KIRK: [Calls on communicator] Clear out of the area. Inform Starfleet Command. Enterprise? Scotty?
[Shrunk Enterprise beams in]
FLINT: They cannot answer, Captain.
[Kirk looks down at the Enterprise]
KIRK: My crew.
FLINT: The test of power. You had no chance. It is time for you to join your crew.
KIRK: You'd wipe out four hundred lives? Why?
FLINT: I have seen a hundred billion fall. I know death better than any man. I have tossed enemies into his grasp. And I know mercy. Your crew is not dead, but suspended.
KIRK: Worse than dead! Restore them. Restore my ship!​

 

[CorporalCaptain]

To be more accurate Kirk stands over the miniaturised ship, so perhaps he was supposed to be peering in through the dome?
https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x19hd/requiemformethuselahhd1159.jpg
However, that scene is all kinds of weird - even if Kirk peers in from the top, he is presented in the episode as observing the crew (who are frozen in place while the consoles are still active BTW) from the main viewscreen like it is a big window.

The various oddities of the scene just act as more evidence to the notion that Kirk et al were infected by Rigellian fever when they beamed down and were hallucinating more and more things as the episode wore on

Maybe it's just another example of how smart viewscreens are in the future. Flint's can reposition itself all on its own for romantic close-ups. Perhaps the Enterprise's is smart enough to know that there's a titanic being looming over the ship. Maybe it even recognizes Kirk, and it's helpfully trying to show this to the acting captain. Maybe the ship is twice shy after being groped by Apollo.

 

[Boris Skrbic]

This thread has a wide range. I love it.

I don’t. “Is the bridge at a funny angle?” Not according to DSC it’s not. Not on any other ship it’s not. Not according to Bob Justman it’s not. The End.

 

[Maurice]

[...]Not according to Bob Justman it’s not. The End.

Where did Justman say that?

+Death of the author.

 

[Boris Skrbic]

Where did Justman say that?

I stand corrected on the matter of TNG.

Now, to pass on Rick Sternbach's two slips' worth:

Rick Sternbach said:

I asked Bob Justman about this some years ago, before he passed, and he was of the opinion that the bridge (captain's chair, helm console, etc.) faced forward. And the turbo doors were placed how? Bob basically said "the turbo was placed where it had to go" meaning that it was offset to allow for dramatic entrances, views over Kirk's shoulder, etc. I don't believe that anyone in the production upper levels ever cared about the layout of the "real ship." Ah well.

Facebook is a wonderful thing.

 

[Hofner]

When 8 year old me watched "Methuselah" first run in '69, Kirk looking into the bridge through the viewscreen confused the hell out of me. Well, which is it, a viewscreen or a window?!?

Robert

 

[Maurice]

Thanks.

Still a secondhand account about something from decades before the question was posed, ergo not definitive answer. Jefferies would've been the more authoritative source. But, still, Death of the Author.

 

[urbandefault]

I did say he could be histrionic. And A-List actors avoided him. The reality was that he was left to his own efforts. By the end of his career he was only trusted to shoot D-level nudey-cuteys like "Orgy of the Dead". Filmmaking is not editing or screenwriting, but rather cinematography and directing, which he actually excelled at. As for his writing, when he died his office was found to have hundreds of unshot screenplays in it that were summarily destroyed. The quality of them was never determined.

Yeah, this derail has to end here. But thanks for playing.

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

 

[Maurice]

The reality was that [Wood] was left to his own efforts. By the end of his career he was only trusted to shoot D-level nudey-cuteys like "Orgy of the Dead". Filmmaking is not editing or screenwriting, but rather cinematography and directing, which he actually excelled at.

Competent perhaps. I see nothing to indicate he could "excel" at either.

 

[BK613]

From this (link).

WE confirmed it off Richard Datin's old website. We posted about it on Fact Trek here (link).

Thank you

 

[publiusr]

“Well, which is it, a viewscreen or a window?!?”

To confuse things more, I seem to remember some work on non lens optics. You could have two membranes. On on the outside of the bridge “blister” one on the inside as the view plate. No window to speak of. That waited ‘till ‘09.

 

[Commander Troi]

I just had the chilling thought that this might the last thing that I remember to argue about in the rest home. Personally I'd rather it be "Is Starfleet a military" or "Why the Star Wars Special Editions are terrible" or even "There is a place in Star Trek for both the Motion Picture AND the Wrath of Khan to be masterpieces". But I'm probably not going to get to choose.

Where are those threads? I'm not seeing them?

Heh. I might have to start the Is Starfleet a Military one.