Is star trek a in good enough place

[Mav359]

I love star trek but i am a huge star was fan and if the upcoming series by Disney for the franchise is half as good as The Mandolarian then Star Trek has some stiff competetion on the horizon

Picard, Lower Decks, Section 31 & More Discovery are they enough? Although i wasnt a big fan of the Kelvin series it did one job well and that was to bring non-star trek people into the mix. Will these be enough to keep those people or attract new ones with Star Wars starting to do well.

My prefernce will always be both but ratings decide the future and i just hope we have enough Ammo

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Star Trek is usually more of a slow burn. I'm not worried.

 

[fireproof78]

Star Trek will be fine.

 

[Orphalesion]

Why does it need to be a competition between the franchises? I like both for different reasons. I do like Star Wars a bit more, but that's just personal preference.

 

[fireproof78]

Why does it need to be a competition between the franchises? I like both for different reasons. I do like Star Wars a bit more, but that's just personal preference.

Because people feel the need to compete for stupid reasons. As though liking two (or more) franchises is the equivalent of cheating in a monogamous relationship.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Loved the Kelvin movies, and I've enjoyed what Trek's done on streaming ever since. Trek is in a pretty good place, IMHO.

It's at risk of becoming a mindless product made to fulfil a contractual quota like some of the Marvel Netflix shows were, but ditto... everything.

 

[1001001]

 

[tesral]

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You get paid every time you do it?

 

[Lord Garth]

These are my standard metrics. I ignore everything else:

On the television end: Are the ramping up the number of Star Trek productions or ramping down? If they're ramping up, they're doing fine. If they're ramping down, they're not. It's that simple. So, on TV, I think things are fine. That's the bottom line, whether some people like it or not.

On the film end: Are films coming out frequently or infrequently? From 1979 to 1998, they came out frequently. After 1998, not so much. The Abrams Films put Star Trek back on the map, got the ball rolling again, and were successful enough that we got a trilogy. But, if they were a mega success, we'd be waiting on a sixth film of the reboot by now.

Everything else is just spin.

 

[Shawnster]

I love star trek but i am a huge star was fan and if the upcoming series by Disney for the franchise is half as good as The Mandolarian then Star Trek has some stiff competetion on the horizon

What is your opinion about Star Trek not being as popular with the mainstream as Star Wars? Why is it not as popular?

 

[fireproof78]

You get paid every time you do it?

My lawyer has advised me not to answer.

What is your opinion about Star Trek not being as popular with the mainstream as Star Wars? Why is it not as popular?

It never has been.

 

[tesral]

On the film end: Are films coming out frequently or infrequently? From 1979 to 1998, they came out frequently. After 1998, not so much. The Abrams Films put Star Trek back on the map, got the ball rolling again, were successful enough that we got a trilogy. But, if they were a mega success, we'd be waiting on a sixth film of the reboot by now.

People starting jumping ship after the third. The JJprise went straight into the ground, for business reasons I think, it might have been Hollyweird math. Whether one likes the films or not.

 

[fireproof78]

People started jumping ship after the delay between films. Hollywood now is expected to pump out things on a constant basis or more casual viewers will simply move on.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Since covid has murdered the movie industry, I'd say it's a moot point.

 

[Qonundrum]

People starting jumping ship after the third. The JJprise went straight into the ground, for business reasons I think, it might have been Hollyweird math. Whether one likes the films or not.

Fireproof has rather a good point for a major contributor, though a few people were jumping ship after STID (if not the mixed bag of ST09). Worse, some were bashing rather voraciously STB even before its release, and to the point its writer came out to scream and swear at the everyone about it, which probably didn't help...

At the same time, why are "casual audiences" requiring new episodes every x years/months/weeks/days/seconds or else they'd wander off to bask in the next best thing? People who like something good understandably want more of it, and as shows age and ideas run out we see things run into the ground, which fans might not like at the time but sometimes find something to like years down the road but I'm not sure that's a related condition. And at the same time, Hollywood just wants profit so if it sees a reboot or sequel is way to do it... who wouldn't do it in order to get a larger customer base?

As for the TV shows, YMMV as to what the individual viewers want and it's inevitable shows occasionally blend in other genres to increase storyline possibilities, though those don't always work. Again, the audience - casual or established or rabid or what not - still have different and similar desires for what is technically little more than a form of art. Which is not to say art is a bad thing.

 

[Qonundrum]

Since covid has murdered the movie industry, I'd say it's a moot point.

It was already in coma, covid cooties will just tilt the primary venue into direct home releases. Besides, from what I've heard, most people in the theater are too busy eating, drinking, complaining about sticky floors resultant from those, using the smartphone to complain about the movie if the person they want to talk to isn't sitting there but would chatter anyway, or using multiple seats and/or the floor to engage in "not-public-friendly" activities regardless of consideration for anyone else in the room.

 

[Lord Garth]

Since covid has murdered the movie industry, I'd say it's a moot point.

I'm kind of hoping that's not true. To keep this Trek-focused: thanks to one-day screening events, I managed to finally see TMP (2019), TWOK (2010 & 2017), and TVH (2012) in the theater. In addition to all of them from TFF on when they were first released. The only one I have left is TSFS. I'm hoping against hope that they do a special screening of it for the 40th Anniversary in 2024.

 

[Boris Skrbic]

If you look at it as a competition, then Star Wars wins hands down, because there is no way Star Trek can match that kind of output. However, there is nothing stopping the same person from following both: it’s not like “I’m swamped with SW, so I just don’t have the time to watch DSC, PIC or LD once a week, once a year also.”

Besides, it was wrong for ST to be inspired by SW into becoming such a franchise in the first place. Paramount should’ve kept treating it as a show that needs to go back to its SF roots and generate better and better and better iterations on TV, garnering awards and popular following as a number of highly successful TV series with only the occasional movie. With that approach it just takes one great show to outdo anything Disney might put out for Star Wars in terms of an interconnected franchise with varying degrees of quality.

 

[fireproof78]

Besides, it was wrong for ST to be inspired by SW into becoming such a franchise in the first place.

Far, far, too late for that to be the case.

 

[Vger23]

It’s not like they are going head-to-head on network TV for ratings. I’m not sure “competition” is a thing here.