Irrelevant to this discussion.
If you don't like Rey that's fine. But, it is disingenuous to RIP her apart for things done by other characters in the same franchise.
Poll Is Rey a Mary Sue?
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If you don't like Rey that's fine. But, it is disingenuous to RIP her apart for things done by other characters in the same franchise.
it does
Context is everything
filmmaking is a combination of a lot of things, most of which RJ and KK are oblivious of
Context is everything
filmmaking is a combination of a lot of things, most of which RJ and KK are oblivious of
Kathleen Kennedy produced so many classics it's not even funny:
E.T.
Gremlins
The Color Purple
The Goonies
Indiana Jones
Back to the Future
The Money Pit
Who Framed Roger Rabbit
Hook
Schindler's List
Jurassic Park
The Bridges of Madison County
The Sixth Sense
etc.
Her Star Wars movies made a few billion dollars in 4 years and The Mandalorian is all kinds of awesome, clearly she's a hack who stumbled from success to success
Is it really so hard to accept that you not liking a movie doesn't mean the people involved don't know what they're doing?
And Rey's as much of a Mary Sue as Luke was but I don't see many people complaining about Mr. Skywalker destroying the death star after 5 minutes of jedi training and trusting the force.
stop with that.Kathleen Kennedy produced so many classics it's not even funny:
E.T.
Gremlins
The Color Purple
The Goonies
Indiana Jones
Back to the Future
The Money Pit
Who Framed Roger Rabbit
Hook
Schindler's List
Jurassic Park
The Bridges of Madison County
The Sixth Sense
etc.
Her Star Wars movies made a few billion dollars in 4 years and The Mandalorian is all kinds of awesome, clearly she's a hack who stumbled from success to success
Is it really so hard to accept that you not liking a movie doesn't mean the people involved don't know what they're doing?
And Rey's as much of a Mary Sue as Luke was but I don't see many people complaining about Mr. Skywalker destroying the death star after 5 minutes of jedi training and trusting the force.
She "produced" them but did not do anything that involved making any creative decisions on those films.. not one thing. Her job as executive producer was basically a glorified secretary. She did not write, or steer the direction creatively for any of those films. everything great she has her name on was made great by someone else. The role of the executive producer is to oversee the work of producer on behalf of the studio, the financiers or the distributors and ensure the film is finished on time and on budget. That is it. Nothing like creating a shared universe, or developing important story points, or seeing a character through a series of trials.
What is clear is that you hate women that have any kind of power. You should really talk to a professional.
It actually doesn't.
Please leave this irrational hatred of Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy out of this thread.
Oh yay! We’re back to this argument again! This whole “she didn’t do anything creatively and she’s just a secretary” line was refuted weeks ago. This is really getting tedious.
i didn't bring up her resume, another poster did. I was responding to it
She co-founded Amblin Entertainment with Steven Spielberg and her husband Frank Marshall. She co-founded another successful production company (The Kennedy/Marshall Company) with her husband. She went on to become president of Lucasfilm and is the third highest grossing producer in history after Spielberg and Kevin Feige.
The idea that she is nothing more than a glorified secretary with no creative input and doesn't serve as a driving force behind enormously successful people and projects is incredibly sexist and ludicrous. You give her no credit for her successes and all the blame for her real or alleged or irrationally imagined missteps. Which even the best producers and executives make, but she's got a pretty amazing track record that takes a lot of talent on its own to achieve. And that's ignoring the fact that she absolutely has creative input on the films and shows. Which is hilarious that you now deny, since you've been accusing her of ruining the shows and movies with her diversity agenda, so which is it? Is she just a glorified secretary or is she single-handedly pushing her evil SJW agenda?
You are a small-minded, petty, hateful person and you should be ashamed of yourself. It's not amusing any more. You've managed to make the Star Wars Forum into a toxic environment again, derailing or overrunning numerous threads (including ones where your complaints aren't related to the topic) with your bullshit after we finally got rid of some of the worst offenders. Is that the way you want to interact with other fans of Star Wars? By poisoning the discussion with your sexism, opposition to diversity, and constant and frequently unjustified and unfair negativity?
it's not sexist to say what she ACTUALLY DID biases aside.
I have not personally attacked anyone
The person that made SW toxic IS KK and RJ
I have been nothing but positive about the OT, most aspects of the prequels, Rogue, One, Solo, and the Mandalorian.
I have not personally attacked anyone
The person that made SW toxic IS KK and RJ
I have been nothing but positive about the OT, most aspects of the prequels, Rogue, One, Solo, and the Mandalorian.
Quite incorrect. You brought up Kennedy first right here. Takeru responded with her resume and then you responded.
But, regardless, it has no place in this thread. It is quite clear that there is an irrational hatred of KK but it is not for this thread.
The only toxicity in SW is what is brought in to it from the fan base.
again i didn't bring up her "resume".. he or she did
I don't care about her resume. The irrational hate of her has no place in this thread. That was my point and had nothing to do with their post on her resume. Your post started it.
You have personally attacked all women and people of color and LGBTQ individuals by saying they are lesser than straight white men. You have diminished and dismissed women who serve in similar roles to men. You don't get a free pass like you've been engaging in civil discussion when you say vile things to provoke a response.
Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson didn't make anything toxic based on your shitty reaction to the movies. I wasn't a big fan of TLJ either, but I didn't have a conniption that it was because of "THE WOMYNZ!" or diversity agendas or any of that bullshit. That's on you.
I'm sure she is a swell person. My argument is that she is a terrible Feige-esque producer and head of Lucasfilm creative
never said those things. You can't falsely accuse me of saying those things. Just because I prefer my entertainment to be agenda free doesn't mean I am what you accuse me of
It's a baseless argument.
The agenda is painfully obvious at this point. And it has nothing to do with Kennedy or her projects.
There is no such thing as "agenda free." Thus far, it has been demonstrated that the only consistent factor is KK's and Rey's gender in terms of the ire directed at them. Also, there was a denigration of Kennedy's job as an executive producer on a number of projects with top list directors and companies.
The agenda is painfully obvious at this point. And it has nothing to do with Kennedy or her projects.
"I never said those things as I say it again." Calling casting women, people of color, or LGBTQ people in lead roles a wrong agenda is by definition saying they are lesser than the straight white male leads you consider to be the default. I'm sorry you're too ignorant to realize this, but it's true.
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misrepresenting what I said. Par for the course here
You diminish Kennedy's role. You claim an agenda in Rey's storytelling, stating you want your movies "without an agenda." What agenda is that? Apparently the diversity agenda, since that has never been clarified. So, thus far, the only issue being seen is with diversity in the Star Wars, specifically around females.
If you are being misrepresented, by all means, clarify. But, calling Kennedy a "glorified secretary" is insulting at best, and demeaning at worst. Hardly grounds for good-faith discussion.
