Is Pike now 'damaged goods' as commanding officer?

[Jedi Marso]

I think Garrovick is dead by this point.

He should be, if Kirk has been promoted to XO of the Farragut.

And please, can we have a break from Kirk? No mas!

 

[Nerys Myk]

He should be, if Kirk has been promoted to XO of the Farragut.

And please, can we have a break from Kirk? No mas!

He wasn't in episode 10. Your wish has been granted. He also sat out episodes 8, 7, 5, 4, 2 and 1.

 

[Jayson1]

Perhaps Pike saves the day by cooking the Gorn a meal. On one side of the table you have Enterprise crew. The other side you have Gorn. Together they break bread and get to know each other and then agree to more conflict.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Perhaps Pike saves the day by cooking the Gorn a meal. On one side of the table you have Enterprise crew. The other side you have Gorn. Together they break bread and get to know each other and then agree to more conflict.

Until Spock shows up with the blood wine and they negotiate a peace treaty.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Unfortunately, I think how they shot the last scene of the finale to be all drawn out, dramatic and "to be continuedey" didn't do Pike any favors, it just made him look indecisive at a critical time.

I disagree. He's weighing his options and will come up with a good solution.

 

[shakham]

Unfortunately, I think how they shot the last scene of the finale to be all drawn out, dramatic and "to be continuedey" didn't do Pike any favors, it just made him look indecisive at a critical time.

At least he didn't ask for a "conference" when trying to make a decision :\.

I agree, that the way they shot the scene made Pike look indecisive. The look on his face, confusion. I'm sure that's not how it will play out but they could have setup the scene better.

 

[Mudd]

At least he didn't ask for a "conference" when trying to make a decision :\.

I agree, that the way they shot the scene made Pike look indecisive. The look on his face, confusion. I'm sure that's not how it will play out but they could have setup the scene better.

Yeah.

It will play differently as the opening to Season 3.

 

[mattman8907]

Pike like his predecessor, Jonathan Archer was at heart an explorer, he's not a military man. But I think Season 3, Pike, Archer will have to learn to put aside the explorer and be the soldier he has to be.

 

[Mudd]

I think that some way or another Pike will find a negotiated angle to this - no doubt after a number of scenes of spaceships shooting at each other and people breathlessly repeating combat orders.

The point of this kind of story is to reinforce the protagonist's strong points, not to motivate him to abandon them. They've set Pike up at the beginning of the story as willing and on the verge of doing exactly that, giving in to his anger. Then they too obviously piled the provocations on, higher and deeper. So I doubt that's how he'll resolve it.

 

[Jayson1]

What if La'an is the one who is able to make peace with the Gorn? Since she has the most hate for them wouldn't her being the one that finds a way to make peace be the most Star Trekian solution?

 

[drt]

I think that some way or another Pike will find a negotiated angle to this - no doubt after a number of scenes of spaceships shooting at each other and people breathlessly repeating combat orders.

Don't forget calling out dropping shield percentages!

What if La'an is the one who is able to make peace with the Gorn? Since she has the most hate for them wouldn't her being the one that finds a way to make peace be the most Star Trekian solution?

Oooo... I like that thought.

 

[DrMike]

Unfortunately, I think how they shot the last scene of the finale to be all drawn out, dramatic and "to be continuedey" didn't do Pike any favors, it just made him look indecisive at a critical time.

I don’t think Pike has become weaker or “lost his edge” but they did really drag that last scene a few beats too long.

Maybe the scene was meant to portray his perspective more than the real-time duration? They kept showing close-ups of his face, and we heard Una's voice echoing at the end, which served to isolate him a bit from the events around him.

As someone who's faced life-or-death decisions in critical moments, I can tell you that you definitely feel as though time slows down, or alternatively that you're freezing up for ages before you take action, when in fact only a few seconds pass by.

That's not indecisiveness, that's actually quite an accurate portrayal of how it feels rather than how it looks.

The only options for portraying that in a TV show are to either (A) film a bunch of speechless scenes with a shocked expression, or (B) use slo-mo. And of those two, (A) is more like how it feels. Slo-mo looks dramatic, but doesn't convey the way it feels as though the world is moving forward at full speed while you are the one who has frozen up.

I just watched it again, and think it was actually handled pretty well. Even the most decisive people I've worked with have moments like that where they are silently collecting their thoughts for a few seconds before exploding into action. I've heard people say things like, "Sorry, I froze up for a bit there initially" when it didn't look that way to others at all. I think maybe it's related to the massive adrenaline surge or something.

 

[Mudd]

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