Spoilers Is Picard season 2 a failure?
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Is Picard season 2 a failure?
Do tribbles multiply? Muddled plotlines, overly sentimental themes, vague or shallow motivations drive the story. Did I miss anything?
Do tribbles multiply? Muddled plotlines, overly sentimental themes, vague or shallow motivations drive the story. Did I miss anything?
Overly sentimental themes?
In a series exploring trauma and loneliness. Strange...
In a series exploring trauma and loneliness. Strange...
Maybe they should stop exploring trauma and loneliness and start exploring space 
Maybe they should stop exploring trauma and loneliness and start exploring space
They should get back on Rios' ship and get back to the former Neutral Zone to have wacky adventures on Freecloud!
And a Seven of Nine series!
Oh and a giant pony!
I want a pony.
This. So very much. It's about a 99-year-old man coming to terms with his legacy.
During/Post S1:
"It's too dark! It's too woke! It's too political! Where's Geordi/Dr. Crusher/Worf/other TNG character?"
Whine, whine, whine. Complain, complain, complain.
Maybe they should stop exploring trauma and loneliness and start exploring space
Another poster once posted that aspects of Star Trek meaning exploring all facets of humanity, including the ones that we are uncomfortable with. I don't wish for Trek to do particular things, or to explore particular relationships, but now that we are here I prefer trauma and loneliness to space. I know that trauma and loneliness can be healed, and live in recovery.
I prefer hope.
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During/Post S1:
"It's too dark! It's too woke! It's too political! Where's Geordi/Dr. Crusher/Worf/other TNG character?"
Whine, whine, whine. Complain, complain, complain.
At this point, I regret the existence of hate watching altogether but there's no end of people who thoroughly detest a show and only watch it to complain about it on forums I frequent.
I think the ultimate backward criticism of all this is everyone talking about how they're not exploring utopian space and how they keep avoiding Earth to go to various hellish places.
I mean...that's why they almost never visit Earth in the show.
The whole reason they're TREKKING is so the Starfleet people can visit planets that aren't nice.
I mean...that's why they almost never visit Earth in the show.
The whole reason they're TREKKING is so the Starfleet people can visit planets that aren't nice.
That's the idea, yeah. We don't know Kirk's past in Iowa. We know Kirk's past when his governor executed half of his friends.
*pause*
Speaking of which, it sure is NEW for Starship Captains to have retconned in tragic backstories.
Isn't it? I mean Pike, Kirk and Sisko were all such well adjusted individuals and had nothing happen to them in their backstory.
Hell, Troi and Lxanana have a dead sister/daughter that led to the latter's mental breakdown.
Janeway went back in time to try and prevent tragedy.
But, you know, darker and tragic backstories are a 21st Trek invention.
But if that’s true, it’s almost as if tragic backstories and the effects of traumatic experiences aren’t a brand new element unique to Kurtzman-era Trek, and that for a long time now (that is to say, from the beginning) Trek has somehow managed to be both generally optimistic/aspirational, while at times portraying instances of personal tragedy and dealing with their consequences.
That can't be right...
that would mean we experience loss and pain with the characters and we can't have that.
After Nepenthe some people were raging about how Picard was so un-Trek and destroying characters because it had given Riker & Troi's appearance a tragic backstory. I can only assume they have a very selective memory given:
- Troi's sister and father both died when she was a young child.
- Both of Worf's parents died when he was a young child. Oh, and he accidently killed a child himself.
- Wesley's father/Beverley's husband died when Wesley was a child.
- Riker's mother died when he was an infant.
- Both of Yar's parents died when she was a young child.
Picard would be an odd one out if he didn't have a tragic backstory.
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I'm a fan of Nepenthe, it was one of my favourite season 1 episodes, but I'm powerless to resist mentioning that you've just listed elements of The Icarus Factor, Dark Page and Let He Who is Without Sin, stories which are not typically regarded as the greatest moments of their respective series.
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