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The problems with Nemesis have been outlined on this forum so many time it's easier to just link you to this pictorial review.
Is "Nemesis" an underrated movie?
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The problems with Nemesis have been outlined on this forum so many time it's easier to just link you to this pictorial review.
Everyone can make sarcastic and disrespectful reviews even for movies that don't deserve it.
Example:
Chekov: Khan! I remember you even though I was not aboard the "Enterprise" during the first season!
Khan: I stole a Federation ship full of uniforms but I still wear my old torn off clothes.
Terraforming in a matter of seconds. Wait a minute, isn't that a process that takes millions of years.
You see, everyone can make that kind of "reviews".
a few easy fix's that IMO would have fixed the script and made it into an excellent flik.
1: TRASH any reference to the "Remans", including the terribly written/even more horribly acted Shinzon character.
2: keep the Scimitar and its purpose as a front line attack on the Humans and Starfleet. i'd even buy it as built/crewed by a splinter Romulan faction and a cry for help with a civil war is what brings Starfleet into the mix.
those few changes and the script would really have written itself from there out, and would
1: TRASH any reference to the "Remans", including the terribly written/even more horribly acted Shinzon character.
2: keep the Scimitar and its purpose as a front line attack on the Humans and Starfleet. i'd even buy it as built/crewed by a splinter Romulan faction and a cry for help with a civil war is what brings Starfleet into the mix.
those few changes and the script would really have written itself from there out, and would
Your picture comments mock the original but they don't poke major holes in the plot like the one I linked does. There are so many continuity errors in Nemesis that it's laughable.
For all its flaws, there was one line in NEM that I absolutely loved. When Worf and Riker are walking through the corridor, Worf says something like, "The Romulans fought with great honor." There's a pause, and Riker replies, "Yes, they did, Mr. Worf."
It took me back to the earlier days of Worf when we were learning about his family and his hate for Romulans because of the Khitomer incident. It was like a mini character growth moment for people who had been watching Worf from the start.
I doubt it was intentional, but I liked it.
It took me back to the earlier days of Worf when we were learning about his family and his hate for Romulans because of the Khitomer incident. It was like a mini character growth moment for people who had been watching Worf from the start.
I doubt it was intentional, but I liked it.
Hm, no offense, but I find the stardestroyer.net one funnier and more spot on.
Interesting, I disliked it. I thought this line was totally tacked on, had no actual reason (when did Worf witness Romulans fighting with honor? Did he mean the short space battle? It would take a lot more to convince Worf that a Romulan has honor, in my opinion) and then it was stupid because instead of watching out for bad guys they waste time for chit-chat and, surprise, get surprised by enemy fire.
Without reading any replies, and basing my comment on what might have turned off the general public (and most non-hardcore trekkies).
There are 2 MAJOR HUGE points of the film that completely undermine the likeability of it.
1. Shinzon, not even for 1 second is half-believable as Picard's clone. Also he is never even believable as a worthy Nemesis to to a 10 year old kid, let alone to Picard.
2. The story ended in the most depressing manner possible. Data dies, everyone cries, the Titan arrives, and they move on with their lives (hey I'm a poet and don't know it!). All in the most depressing way possible for a Trek film to end. Even TWOK gave us huge glimmer of hope after the death of Spock. Our glimmer of hope here? Idiot Data can whistle the "Blue Skies" tune like his brother.
I walked out sick from the theater that fateful Nov of 2003. It was worse than Generations. I think think they could stoop lower.
There are 2 MAJOR HUGE points of the film that completely undermine the likeability of it.
1. Shinzon, not even for 1 second is half-believable as Picard's clone. Also he is never even believable as a worthy Nemesis to to a 10 year old kid, let alone to Picard.
2. The story ended in the most depressing manner possible. Data dies, everyone cries, the Titan arrives, and they move on with their lives (hey I'm a poet and don't know it!). All in the most depressing way possible for a Trek film to end. Even TWOK gave us huge glimmer of hope after the death of Spock. Our glimmer of hope here? Idiot Data can whistle the "Blue Skies" tune like his brother.
I walked out sick from the theater that fateful Nov of 2003. It was worse than Generations. I think think they could stoop lower.
My point was that this pictorial review is one big joke and cannot possibly be considered a serious form of criticism.
I would say about 1/3rd of the scenes in the movie worked for me on some level. You could probably have made a decent 45 minute episode out of it if you cut out about 2/3rd of the movie out, starting with the dunebuggy scene, and most of the B4 stuff. 
Also-- cutting Wil Wheaton out of the movie? Huge mistake.
Also-- cutting Wil Wheaton out of the movie? Huge mistake.
I would say about 1/3rd of the scenes in the movie worked for me on some level. You could probably have made a decent 45 minute episode out of it if you cut out about 2/3rd of the movie out, starting with the dunebuggy scene, and most of the B4 stuff.
Also-- cutting Wil Wheaton out of the movie? Huge mistake.
I think I would have liked the movie better if Westley Crusher and the Traveler appeared in a blaze of glory and distorted space time to kill Picard's clone and save the day in time to rescue Data.
The 2 worst Star Trek films made..TFF and NEM.
TFF was actually enjoyable to sit through..kind of watching an airplane crash, I couldn't tear my eyes away from the screen, our characters totally overblown, yet each had a character moment that made me wince and chuckle..it actually was FUN to watch..Yes the story and special effects sucked, but it WAS entertaining for the most part..
Nemesis is the only film that I fell asleep to IN THE THEATER!! Sometime during the Dune-Buggy chase, I passed out, and was awakened by my son about 10 minutes later. During the Green Nebula battle it happened again, this time my son woke me up after about 2 minutes.. It was simply a mind numbing movie that was hard WORK to watch. Too many special effects sequences, too many plot holes, exposition when it's not required, and no explanation when it mattered.. it is tedious to sit through..(I was provided the DVD as a gift..so I have seen it in total BTW)..
TFF was actually enjoyable to sit through..kind of watching an airplane crash, I couldn't tear my eyes away from the screen, our characters totally overblown, yet each had a character moment that made me wince and chuckle..it actually was FUN to watch..Yes the story and special effects sucked, but it WAS entertaining for the most part..
Nemesis is the only film that I fell asleep to IN THE THEATER!! Sometime during the Dune-Buggy chase, I passed out, and was awakened by my son about 10 minutes later. During the Green Nebula battle it happened again, this time my son woke me up after about 2 minutes.. It was simply a mind numbing movie that was hard WORK to watch. Too many special effects sequences, too many plot holes, exposition when it's not required, and no explanation when it mattered.. it is tedious to sit through..(I was provided the DVD as a gift..so I have seen it in total BTW)..
It's funny...originally, Berman and Boys were going to have a big subplot in which, in the skirmish on "Deck 29" (don't ask...) Worf gets shot.
In short, when the battle's all over, Donatra's CMO saves his life, and Worf begins a big healing process.
It's a powerful sequence (you can find it in the novelization)...but my guess is Stuart Baird (
) cut it for "pacing"....
BTW...the only Trek film I almost fell asleep watching...was Search For Spock.
Bad pacing, In My Admittedly Not So Humble Opinion.
Bad pacing, In My Admittedly Not So Humble Opinion.
In short, when the battle's all over, Donatra's CMO saves his life, and Worf begins a big healing process.
It's a powerful sequence (you can find it in the novelization)...but my guess is Stuart Baird (
What, so when the film is effectively over, and we are supposed to be grieving for Data, you want to introduce a whole new little subplot with Worf that will require explanation and would have no real follow-up for resolution?
If it was cut for pacing, it was absolutely the right decision.
Besides, it's also totally wrong for Worf's character. He would probably want to kill himself he was was infected with a disgusting Romulan blood transfusion.
^After all his character growth in DS9?
That's irrelevant though, it's a movie. You could maybe do it in a TV episode, but the pacing would have been totally wrong in the film.
It would be like adding a scene to TWOK after Spock's funeral in which Scotty decides he's going to give up drinking due to the horrors he's witnessed. Maybe it's an interesting character development, but it would throw off the pacing of the film.
You would have to build up to it at some earlier point in the film, otherwise it's not a pay-off for anything. Again, the ending of TWOK is pretty perfect in this regard. Spock's death forces Kirk to face death, he reconciles with his son, and works out his issues with his age.
Bringing in a random Worf scene makes no sense in the narrative. And Nemesis isn't exactly stellar in that regard in the first place.
It would be like adding a scene to TWOK after Spock's funeral in which Scotty decides he's going to give up drinking due to the horrors he's witnessed. Maybe it's an interesting character development, but it would throw off the pacing of the film.
You would have to build up to it at some earlier point in the film, otherwise it's not a pay-off for anything. Again, the ending of TWOK is pretty perfect in this regard. Spock's death forces Kirk to face death, he reconciles with his son, and works out his issues with his age.
Bringing in a random Worf scene makes no sense in the narrative. And Nemesis isn't exactly stellar in that regard in the first place.
that last scene is my favorite one from Nem. i havnt seen it in ages, but the score that is used over the little dialog between picard and b4, then the cut to the E-E in drydock always pops into my head whenever i see a TNG episode or film... the way it kind of meshes the TMP and TNGera theme sounds
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