Yes, it's May 2256 when the events in the ST: D pilot start (per a direct line by Burnham.)
Is Montgomery Scott the only high-ranking ToS officer in Starfleet during STD? (circa 2255)
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Accirding to the official Okuda timeline Kirk entered Starfleet Academy in 2250 and graduated in 2254, being assigned to the U.S.S. Farragut under the command of Captain Garrovick until that ship's crew was almost completely wiped out by the dikironium cloud creature in 2257. Kirk is a lieutenant serving aboard the Farragut at the time of the first episodes of DSC.
And if Kirk ever turns up on DSC, the Farragut disaster is probably the way they'll do it. It'd make one hell of an episode.
the Farragut disaster was in 2257, one year after Episode 1 of DSC, so it isentirely possible.
Though, TBH I wouldn't want to see Kirk, they could mention the disaster if it is relevant to the plot of the episode, but I'd like them to stay away from the main cast of TOS except in passing reference. It makes sense for Spock to be mentioned at least once because of Burnham.
Hmm, we know that Pike was in command of the Enterprise thirteen years prior to TOS's first season (about 2252), his being in command in 2256 is conjecture backed by nothing. Unless your employing comic books or novels..
If Starfleet were involved in a major war, would promising young officer like Kirk still be parked at the academy teaching a class?
He would have been twelve
Why expect to see Scott or McCoy, as they likely did not stand out enough at that stage of their careers? Spock might be seen in a bridge shot with Pike?
If any of those characters appear, guaranteed they will be rebooted 'modernized' versions.
Spock appearing on this show is inevitable though, but I think it will start with 'boy Spock' in Burnham flashbacks.
Spock appearing on this show is inevitable though, but I think it will start with 'boy Spock' in Burnham flashbacks.
^ Star Trek Discovery is not a reboot, so your "guarantee" is never going to come true.
They could show the aftermath to the Farragut incident. Not necessarily show Kirk but have another character with extreme PTSD which that character and Burnham could relate.
I say anyone but Kirk because I believe that the show should do its best to stand alone. Mentioning events mentioned in TOS is cool. Having everyone and their mother from TOS appear? Screw that.
On the contrary, per Startrek.com Kirk was made Captain of the Enterprise in 2264 likely no more than year (eighteen months at the outside) before the events of WNMHGB.
Also from The Menagerie:
MENDEZ: You ever met Chris Pike?
KIRK: When he was promoted to Fleet Captain.
MENDEZ: About your age. Big, handsome man, vital, active.
KIRK: I took over the Enterprise from him. Spock served with him for several years.
SPOCK: Eleven years, four months, five days.
This suggests that a) Pike served on the Enterprise for over eleven years (though not necessarily as CO the whole time) and b) was in command of Enterprise until Kirk took over in 2264. Suggesting a window of 2252 to 2263 (allowing for a partial refit before Kirk's 5YM) for Pike's time on the Enterprise, including at least 9 years as its CO.
Whether or not DSC is a "reboot" per se (and IMO it isn't of anything in "Prime" seen since First Contact, including Enterprise even if earlier stuff has changed), it's true that the only recasting (rather than rebooting) they could avoid would be Enterprise characters and it seems unlikely they will go there now (except maybe Gary Graham as Soval or Jolene Blalock as T'Pol). As far as recasting or returning characters go, I think the most likely additional cameos would be Faran Tahir and/or Chris Hemsworth (cos a) they're awesome and b) it would put "not Kelvin)" to bed) or Jacob Kogan (as "flashback Spock"). However, I'd prefer Christopher Doohan as Scotty (or a recast) over Simon Pegg, even if that would be even trickier legally than Tahir or Hemsworth.
High rank and prominence need not go hand in hand. In that other timeline, civilian McCoy went to the Academy right alongside Jim "Fast Track" Kirk, and emerged a commissioned Lieutenant Commander before his ambitious pal had managed to get rid of his Cadet status. Yet he wasn't at the top of the medical department of Pike's ship, merely the next in line after some supposedly pretty severe casualties. But Bashir got to be CMO at Lt (j.g.) rank because he chose an obscure assignment.
McCoy's Starfleet Academy entry and exit times may vary from the Kelvinverse ones, of course, but the basic concept is there. Yet if Kirk can't fast-track, I doubt any of the other non-academicians in the lot would get their ranks "early", either.
Nitpicking: Why wouldn't Pike be Enterprise CO (or at least Spock's CO even if aboard some other Starfleet asset) for the full 11 years he worked with Spock? After all, "The Cage" is 13 years before the early TOS episode "The Menagerie" per episode dialogue, and Pike is very much the CO there; we better not put much more than 2 years between "The Menagerie" and Kirk getting the ship.
Timo Saloniemi
McCoy's Starfleet Academy entry and exit times may vary from the Kelvinverse ones, of course, but the basic concept is there. Yet if Kirk can't fast-track, I doubt any of the other non-academicians in the lot would get their ranks "early", either.
Nitpicking: Why wouldn't Pike be Enterprise CO (or at least Spock's CO even if aboard some other Starfleet asset) for the full 11 years he worked with Spock? After all, "The Cage" is 13 years before the early TOS episode "The Menagerie" per episode dialogue, and Pike is very much the CO there; we better not put much more than 2 years between "The Menagerie" and Kirk getting the ship.
Timo Saloniemi
McCoy already had an MD, and may take an abbreviated course load at SFA. Being older gives him more time to go through the ranks. I expect Pike was captain of the Enterprise for at least Spock's tenure there.