Is Lady Gaga a hero?

[exodus]

I think part of why Chris Cross went MIA was due to music changing. Music like his and say Simply Red went from being Top 40 to Adult Contemporary. AC artist don't get the exposure Top 40 artist do and the Top 40 music scene was becoming more electronic.

That's kind of what I meant when I said ten years is an eternity in pop music. You really have no idea what new trend might come along to render her style of music irrelevant.

Here's another example: New Kids on the Block. Those guys were HUGE in 1989 but they were done about three years later. And a big factor, other than their teenage fans getting older and realizing their music was shite, was the explosion of the whole grunge/alternative rock scene.

I must have missed that comment but yes, I agree..............but I guess you already knew that.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

I think genuine heroism involves a certain amount of risk. It's easy to do good at no risk to yourself. Why is that heroic? I'm not saying it's bad, just that it doesn't necessarily deserve the "heroic" label. Philanthropy is an enormous good in this world, but I would hesitate to call such benefactors "heroes."

"Hero" should be rather narrowly defined, otherwise it doesn't really mean anything--you could find a way to call anyone a "hero."

Exactly the point I was making. If you were a rocket scientist with ten Ph.Ds who designed the Saturn V rocket, then I launched a model rocket in my back yard and called myself a rocket scientist, how would you feel?

The term "rocket scientist" has a more firm definition. "Hero" does not. That said, when one has money to adopt a child and does so, yet doesn't sacrifice one's wealth in the process, is that person still a hero to that child for being adopted? You better believe it. Great sacrifice is not required for someone to be a hero. Again, that is what makes "hero" a diaphanous term, because it can be applied in so many ways.

The sacrifice involved in adopting a child is hardly of a financial nature. There is vastly more to parenting than money.

 

[Amaris]

Exactly the point I was making. If you were a rocket scientist with ten Ph.Ds who designed the Saturn V rocket, then I launched a model rocket in my back yard and called myself a rocket scientist, how would you feel?

The term "rocket scientist" has a more firm definition. "Hero" does not. That said, when one has money to adopt a child and does so, yet doesn't sacrifice one's wealth in the process, is that person still a hero to that child for being adopted? You better believe it. Great sacrifice is not required for someone to be a hero. Again, that is what makes "hero" a diaphanous term, because it can be applied in so many ways.

The sacrifice involved in adopting a child is hardly of a financial nature. There is vastly more to parenting than money.

True, but when one has more than ample resources, the sting of sacrifice can be removed.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

The term "rocket scientist" has a more firm definition. "Hero" does not. That said, when one has money to adopt a child and does so, yet doesn't sacrifice one's wealth in the process, is that person still a hero to that child for being adopted? You better believe it. Great sacrifice is not required for someone to be a hero. Again, that is what makes "hero" a diaphanous term, because it can be applied in so many ways.

The sacrifice involved in adopting a child is hardly of a financial nature. There is vastly more to parenting than money.

True, but when one has more than ample resources, the sting of sacrifice can be removed.

But the money isn't the sacrifice. Adoption is a whole different kettle of fish compared to, say, funding a foundation for sick kids. One involves being directly responsible for the well-being of another person--physically, financially, emotionally.

 

[Amaris]

The sacrifice involved in adopting a child is hardly of a financial nature. There is vastly more to parenting than money.

True, but when one has more than ample resources, the sting of sacrifice can be removed.

But the money isn't the sacrifice. Adoption is a whole different kettle of fish compared to, say, funding a foundation for sick kids. One involves being directly responsible for the well-being of another person--physically, financially, emotionally.

Again, I agree. All I'm saying is that one doesn't have to give up all of their money for it to be a sacrifice.

 

[TEH BABA]

I think part of why Chris Cross went MIA was due to music changing. Music like his and say Simply Red went from being Top 40 to Adult Contemporary. AC artist don't get the exposure Top 40 artist do and the Top 40 music scene was becoming more electronic.

That's kind of what I meant when I said ten years is an eternity in pop music. You really have no idea what new trend might come along to render her style of music irrelevant.

Here's another example: New Kids on the Block. Those guys were HUGE in 1989 but they were done about three years later. And a big factor, other than their teenage fans getting older and realizing their music was shite, was the explosion of the whole grunge/alternative rock scene.

New kids on the block was Tbonz favorite band.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Gaga will last as long as the style of music to showcase herself stays popular, I think.

I tend to agree, but I'd add as an addendum "or she adapts to the changing style of music." I feel great artists keep their style of music popular, while good artists can either adapt or be left behind (and average artists were probably just riding the "wave" of the popularity of the genre and definitely depend on the good graces of popular support unless they're complete sell-outs and don't even care about consistency in style). I'd categorize Gaga as a good artist, so her popularity in 10 years depends a lot on the style of music that is popular and the one she is playing.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Gaga will last as long as the style of music to showcase herself stays popular, I think.

I tend to agree, but I'd add as an addendum "or she adapts to the changing style of music." I feel great artists keep their style of music popular, while good artists can either adapt or be left behind (and average artists were probably just riding the "wave" of the popularity of the genre and definitely depend on the good graces of popular support unless they're complete sell-outs and don't even care about consistency in style). I'd categorize Gaga as a good artist, so her popularity in 10 years depends a lot on the style of music that is popular and the one she is playing.

A lot of it has to do with their original core audience. Stars who's audience is made up of young teenagers tend to fade away as the teens grow up and their tastes change.Those acts who can change and grow with their core audience will thrive. Those that don't will be booked on nostalgia tours in 20 years.

 

[Level 2 Diagnostic]

New kids on the block was Tbonz favorite band.

And speaking of NKOTB... guess who opened for them on their last tour?

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u40_ih1Ey0[/yt]

 

[Nerys Myk]

And Jimi Hendrix once opened for the Monkees.

 

[Sci]

His life, if I'm not mistaken. In exchange for starting Europe down the path of modernization (unification of tribes into nations, and such). I used him as an example because he was pretty famous for traveling everywhere on horseback and not really doing the regal thing, sitting in palaces or being escorted in a horse drawn carriage. Of course it ultimately undid him when disease took him early.

Bullshit. Hereditary dictators are not heroes.

What about other things people concentrate on? She somewhat supports the gay community.

Well I would argue she supports the gay community like Twilight supports 15 year old girls. It's more acknowledging them because they are your fans and pay you.

Um, no. She's a big supporter of LGBT rights, she's passionate about LGBT rights, oh, and, by the way, she's openly bisexual herself, which means that she is part of the LGBT community. Listen to her speaking at the National Equality March last year for LGBT rights. The woman's not a lukewarm supporter; she's passionate about it.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3UPg8klNas[/yt]

You can't fake passion like that.

Again, if the gay community didn't buy her music or at least watch her youtube videos I really don't think she would care that much about them. At the very least she could care, but not care enough to thank anyone or speak out about it with the camera rolling.

I think it's entirely reasonable to say that she's not a civil rights leader -- she's not exacting Lt. Dan Choi, getting himself arrested on the White House fence to demonstrate against Don't-Ask-Don't-Tell -- but that's a completely unreasonable assumption.

Before Gaga, there was Grace...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA7vlDd5YDs&feature=related

Grace deserves credit before Gaga does.

I for one see no reason not to enjoy and celebrate both.

 

[Nerys Myk]

His life, if I'm not mistaken. In exchange for starting Europe down the path of modernization (unification of tribes into nations, and such). I used him as an example because he was pretty famous for traveling everywhere on horseback and not really doing the regal thing, sitting in palaces or being escorted in a horse drawn carriage. Of course it ultimately undid him when disease took him early.

Didn't most leaders of that time travel the same way? Being almost constantly at war didnt give Charlemange a lot of time to kick back.

They were trying to build larger kingdoms and nations by conquering other kingdoms and nations. I believe the tribal era in Western Europe ended before Charlemange.

He was 72 when he died, how is that early?

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Before Gaga, there was Grace...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA7vlDd5YDs&feature=related

Grace deserves credit before Gaga does.

I for one see no reason not to enjoy and celebrate both.

Indeed, why must there be pissing matches over music? I enjoy all sorts of things--Grace Jones and Lady GaGa included. I don't have a set number of musical acts I am capable of enjoying.

 

[Level 2 Diagnostic]

And Jimi Hendrix once opened for the Monkees.

Yeah, but they never recorded/performed a song together.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

And Jimi Hendrix once opened for the Monkees.

Yeah, but they never recorded/performed a song together.

So?

 

[exodus]

Before Gaga, there was Grace...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA7vlDd5YDs&feature=related

Grace deserves credit before Gaga does.

I for one see no reason not to enjoy and celebrate both.

Indeed, why must there be pissing matches over music? I enjoy all sorts of things--Grace Jones and Lady GaGa included. I don't have a set number of musical acts I am capable of enjoying.

I swear, folks here just love to take stuff and run with it.

Even Gaga gives credit and deflects attention to Jones as an inspiration.
It's not a pissing match, it's just paying proper homage.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

I for one see no reason not to enjoy and celebrate both.

Indeed, why must there be pissing matches over music? I enjoy all sorts of things--Grace Jones and Lady GaGa included. I don't have a set number of musical acts I am capable of enjoying.

I swear, folks here just love to take stuff and run with it.

Even Gaga gives credit and deflects attention to Jones as an inspiration.
It's not a pissing match, it's just paying proper homage.

I'm cool with that.

 

[exodus]

Indeed, why must there be pissing matches over music? I enjoy all sorts of things--Grace Jones and Lady GaGa included. I don't have a set number of musical acts I am capable of enjoying.

I swear, folks here just love to take stuff and run with it.

Even Gaga gives credit and deflects attention to Jones as an inspiration.
It's not a pissing match, it's just paying proper homage.

I'm cool with that.

I'm honestly surprised that the two haven't teamed up yet.

 

[Level 2 Diagnostic]

And Jimi Hendrix once opened for the Monkees.

Yeah, but they never recorded/performed a song together.

So?

So I guess that would undercut whatever point was being made by mentioning Hendrix opened for the Monkees.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yeah, but they never recorded/performed a song together.

So?

So I guess that would undercut whatever point was being made by mentioning Hendrix opened for the Monkees.

Your point was she opened for them, yes? At least thats what you wrote.