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Is Khan really Kirk's greatest adversary?

Ssosmcin

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So, what’s with the obsession with Khan? I’ve seen repeatedly how he’s referred to as “Star Trek’s greatest villain.”

Star Trek Enterprise focused on the Eugenics Wars with the Augments.

SNW has a descendant of Khan as a crewmember.

Every so often, the films try to make their villain “the next Khan.”

In STID, Prime Spock calls him the “most dangerous adversary the Enterprise ever faced.”

Honestly, I don’t get it. Khan, as played by Ricardo Montalban, was charismatic and enjoyable to watch but he was far from the Enterprise’s greatest challenge.

Space Seed: he only succeeds because the people around him are easily exploited. McGivers is infatuated and ridiculous. Kirk is really shortsighted for giving Khan access to his ship’s tech manuals and ignoring Spock’s warnings. Once he realizes the stakes, Kirk fights Khan hand to hand…and defeats him with no more difficulty than he did Ben Finney. Kirk just used a pipe and didn’t even rip his shirt in the process (this is one of those episodes which probably would have worked better as a two-parter).

Kirk had a harder time defeating Gary Mitchell, Apollo, the planet killer and Nomad.

The Wrath of Khan: granted it’s a fine film, but again, Khan is hardly brilliant – in fact he seems LESS intelligent that he was in the series and merely takes advantage of the arrival of Reliant, the eels and Kirk (again) being off his game. As soon as Kirk’s got his groove back, he defeats Khan in a fair ship to ship fight. Spock only died getting the ship out of the Genesis wave in time. Khan didn’t kill him. There was no “great cost” in defeating Khan, Kirk already did it. Spock simply got them out of danger so they could survive the victory.

The fan and public response to the film (which was seen as a giant improvement over TMP) elevated Khan’s stock, but it was in the open ended mature of Khan’s fate in Space Seed that Harve Bennett saw the potential in Khan’s story. The episode itself is actually average (but the scenes between Shatner and Montalban crackle). For all of the actual talking and references Kirk made to Khan in the film, they could have cast Michael Ansara, changed a few lines and called it “Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kang.” AND it would have explained Chekov knowing who Kang was and vice versa. There was no personal connection for Kirk, regardless of how often I read that as a main justification for Khan being Kirk’s greatest nemesis. Kirk recognizes Khan, acknowledges that Khan blames him for his wife’s death, but other than the deleted sick bay scene, there are almost no references BY KIRK to what happened before. Kirk is more concerned with confronting Carol and David.

So why are so many later shows, movies and people so focused on Khan? They keep telling us how formidable he was but I never saw it.
 
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Every so often, the films try to make their villain “the next Khan.”

In STID, Prime Spock calls him the “most dangerous adversary the Enterprise ever faced.”

There are two similar, but different points that come into play here.

1. The question of Kirk's greatest adversary
2. The greatest Star Trek movie of all time.

Many/the majority of fans feel Star Trek II, The Wrath of Khan is the best Star Trek movie ever. It seems some subsequent Trek movies have tried to emulate portions of TWOK in an attempt to catch lightning in a bottle, so to speak. Star Trek XI with the "nebula" ship battle, and ST:ID are two examples. These seem to be attempts to capture some of the greatness of TWOK but they keep coming up short.
 
Many/the majority of fans feel Star Trek II, The Wrath of Khan is the best Star Trek movie ever.

I agree that it is a high point in the series. I totally understand later films trying to recapture that success but that's still a long way from making Khan - the man - the Joker to Kirk's Batman. Kirk beat him twice - conclusively.

In fact, you could argue that Kruge did more damage to Kirk personally than Khan did.
 
I would say that Khan is truly Kirk's greatest adversary, for if nothing else, he cost him Spock.

Trek going back to similar characters is probably due to revenge being an easily understood motivation & the apparent need for a fight-to-the-death space battle between the Enterprise and the villain's ship in order to resolve the story's conflict.
 
So why are so many later shows, movies and people so focused on Khan? They keep telling us how formidable he was but I never saw it.
Because the film he is in is so memorable. Kirk is defeated, twice, by Khan, until Kirk is able to learn from his mistakes and adapt.

Personally, I think it is far more nostalgia and rose colored glasses, and 40 some odd years of lists and magazine articles about how great Khan is that owes to the success of the character. His character is tied to both a memorable episode of Trek, the performance of the actor, and the success of the feature film. It's not just one thing, but it is all those things tied together that create a mystique to this character, as well as the desire to recapture success.
 
Kirk has had conflicts with God, Lucifer, Apollo, an Aztec god, a planet sized amoeba, the Doomsday Machine, V'Ger, the whale probe, Trelaine, a planet eating cloud, a Gorn captain, Nomad, Vaal, Landru, M-5, a god level Gary Mitchell, a First Federation ship, the Yonada control system, the nexus, Nazis, Excalbian recreations of Kahless, Col. Greene, a mad scientist and Genghis Khan, killer robots, overprotective robots, Klingons, Romulans, blood fever Spock, mirror universe Spock, mirror universe Kirk (in the novels), an intergalactic being of dark matter (in the novels), the Borg (in the novels and comics), a rogue Gary 7 (in the comics), neural parasites, shapeshifters, fellow captains and other officers gone rogue, aliens with tech advanced enough to impersonate a wizard and sorceress...

Alas, none were played by Ricardo Mantalban in a really cool movie.
 
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Let's face it, the '80s movies are what set TOS in stone for popular culture. They are also rather superficial and unsophisticated compared to the series, but that's the situation. The choice to revist that villain for a movie makes him Kirk's de facto greatest adversary.
 
Khan has the advantage of being faced twice, once in a feature length format, and in both encounters victory came at a high cost.

Kruge comes to mind as taking a heavy toll on Kirk, but their encounter wasn't that lengthy.
 
Greatest adversary? Random Technology: Nomad, M-5, The Planet Killing Bugle, Vger, The Whale Probe....
 
It worked for the hype of the movies Wrath of Khan and Into Darkness. It's based on the public perception of him as the baddie in the "best" movie.

In-universe... maybe that's how the characters felt, regardless of the actual scope of the threats they faced.
 
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