is Jadzia Bi-sexual?

[RobertScorpio]

Yeah, I know, STAR TREK fans are supposed to be above such labels...but..then again...


Rejoined was a great episode, not only because of that great kiss, but the story was actually pretty sad. I think we can assume that Jadzia and the other woman 'made love' in that episode (geee, where is a directors cut when you need one)...

I wonder when a Trill joins the program to host a worm if they have to agree to be Bi-sexual? Not because they might meet pass loves, but so that they might be more acceptable to the memories that they will no doubt share with the worm...what do you think?

Rob
Scorpio

 

[Michael]

I think we can assume that Jadzia and the other woman 'made love' in that episode

Can we? I mean seriously, I don't remember that episode that well.

I wonder when a Trill joins the program to host a worm if they have to agree to be Bi-sexual?

No, I don't think they would have to be. They can't dictate what sexuality one has to have.

 

[Hermiod]

We are assuming that Trill place importance on a potential partner's gender in the first place. Maybe they don't.

Once joined, remember, Jadzia becomes Jadzia Dax. Both Dax and Jadzia become new people through this act. Jadzia's sexual preferences are merely a part of Jadzia Dax's.

 

[PhoenixIreland]

Yeah, I know, STAR TREK fans are supposed to be above such labels...but..then again...


Rejoined was a great episode, not only because of that great kiss, but the story was actually pretty sad. I think we can assume that Jadzia and the other woman 'made love' in that episode (geee, where is a directors cut when you need one)...

I wonder when a Trill joins the program to host a worm if they have to agree to be Bi-sexual? Not because they might meet pass loves, but so that they might be more acceptable to the memories that they will no doubt share with the worm...what do you think?

Rob
Scorpio

It WAS a sad story of lost love.
It was also a MAJOR cop out on ST lacking the balls to do a story with a same sex couple, lesbians are not a risk, they're a ratings grabber.
They are total pussys for avoiding it for so long

 

[EEE]

I wonder when a Trill joins the program to host a worm if they have to agree to ...

They can't dictate what ...

Yes they can. If they wanted to, they could dictate that all or just some candidates they didn't like, have to have sex with a Nagus, AND LIKE IT. They hold all the cards. They decide who is worthy of a slug. Now whether they would or not is a completely different topic.

 

[Michael]

I wonder when a Trill joins the program to host a worm if they have to agree to ...

They can't dictate what ...

Yes they can. If they wanted to, they could dictate that all or just some candidates they didn't like, have to have sex with a Nagus, AND LIKE IT. They hold all the cards. They decide who is worthy of a slug. Now whether they would or not is a completely different topic.

Okay, than let me put it this way: They would not dictate what sexuality one has to have.

 

[Timo]

To be sure, we don't know any limit to what "they" would or wouldn't dictate - but we do know they dictate that the joined hosts never divulge the secret that the slugs must all know, that the compatibility problem is a piece of fiction whipped up for political reasons.

Now that would be the conspiracy of the Trill society, and scores of hosts would no doubt be willing to put their lives on the line to uncover it. We must assume that the relationship between the slug and the humanoid is less than candid and open - or then we must assume that the slug holds nearly total control of the host's actions and interactions, and can guard any and all secrets with draconian measures.

We don't really see good examples of a situation where the host half of a joined Trill would get a chance to cry "Help! I'm being held prisoner by this slug in my tummy!". Jadzia lost Dax briefly in "Invasive Procedures", but was unconscious and close to death - perhaps a precaution arranged by Dax so that the secret wouldn't leak out?

Even if we ditch the most extreme versions of the conspiracy theory, there's plenty to support the idea that the host is in a rather weak position. Certainly the control that Odan excerted over Riker seemed close to absolute in "The Host". Perhaps other slugs go easier on their hosts. And perhaps those spotted hosts offer stiffer resistance than other species of host. But probably there are always a few who don't really ask the host for an opinion before diving into a new adventure, no matter if it puts the physical body in situations the host would rather avoid.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Hermiod]

It was also a MAJOR cop out on ST lacking the balls to do a story with a same sex couple, lesbians are not a risk, they're a ratings grabber.
They are total pussys for avoiding it for so long

No it was not a cop out. I'm tired of people harping on about the lack of male homosexual relationships in Star Trek, like Star Trek should be the bastion of gay rights. Star Trek is a science fiction television programme and homosexuality is not a science fiction issue.

The science fiction story in "Rejoined" was more about the Dax (as in the symbiont) still being in love with Kahn (again, the symbiont) despite both of them being in new hosts. The same issue was raised at the end of TNG's "The Host".

We could just as easily ask why we never saw a D/S relationship or someone marrying a hologram.

 

[EEE]

They can't dictate what ...

Yes they can. If they wanted to, they could dictate that all or just some candidates they didn't like, have to have sex with a Nagus, AND LIKE IT. They hold all the cards. They decide who is worthy of a slug. Now whether they would or not is a completely different topic.

Okay, than let me put it this way: They would not dictate what sexuality one has to have.

As stated above, that's a different topic. And trying to change topic won't get you out of the Nagus' bedroom. *grin*

...and actually, an argument/debate could be made for why they would.

 

[Michael]

...and actually, an argument/debate could be made for why they would.

Of course this argument could be made. But this wouldn't change my mind: I simply don't think the Trill are dictating what sexuality the hosts have to have. I think this would make no sense at all. IMHO.

 

[EEE]

We could just as easily ask why we never saw ... or someone marrying a hologram.

That was saved for an aborted future on Voyager.

 

[Hermiod]

We could just as easily ask why we never saw ... or someone marrying a hologram.

That was saved for an aborted future on Voyager.

My point is that there are many "alternative" relationships that make for much more interesting science fiction stories.

 

[EEE]

...and actually, an argument/debate could be made for why they would.

Of course this argument could be made. But this wouldn't change my mind: I simply don't think the Trill are dictating what sexuality the hosts have to have. I think this would make no sense at all. IMHO.

And while I don't think your mind could be changed (nor do I think you're wrong), I just think a logical argument could be made for it and also that I think you're not getting out of the Nagus' bedroom based on this topic change. *grin*

 

[Michael]

I think you're not getting out of the Nagus' bedroom based on this topic change. *grin*

Yeah, I'm not getting outta there, eh? Well, from what I hear Wallace Shawn is a very nice guy. So maybe this wouldn't be so bad after all.

 

[FordSVT]

It WAS a sad story of lost love.
It was also a MAJOR cop out on ST lacking the balls to do a story with a same sex couple, lesbians are not a risk, they're a ratings grabber.
They are total pussys for avoiding it for so long

Bullshit. You act like the early 90s was subjected to a myriad of homosexual themes on TV and Star Trek copped out and avoided it. Trek was one of the only shows on TV that would go near that topic at all. Two women kissing on TV in 1995 was still a major television event talked about on the news for God's sake.

 

[Jono]

To become a Trill initiate they would undergo all sorts of psychological tests to get a foot into the door so they would try to weed out people with severe prejudices. Also an someone going for the program would know that memories and emotions from previous hosts will be shared with them and that there is a very good chance at least one of the previous hosts would have been of the opposite gender, so they would need to be emotionally ready for such a thing as well.

As for Jadzia she mentioned she's seen it from both sides but she seemed to be strongly heterosexual. Apart from the woman Trill we're talking about she didn't show much interest in actively pursuing female romantic relationships or even flirt with the Dabo girls. While she would have maybe appreciated the same sex more then she would have unjoined I don't think the joining made her bisexual, probably just more open to the possibility.

The slugs would probably have a bit of input into their next host so if the slug wanted to experience something new, such as a Trill that was homosexual then maybe it would look for a initiate that was homosexual and indicate that it wishes to be joined with that particular Trill. Other then that I don't think they would sexually discriminate against one group of Trills.

 

[PhoenixIreland]

It was also a MAJOR cop out on ST lacking the balls to do a story with a same sex couple, lesbians are not a risk, they're a ratings grabber.
They are total pussys for avoiding it for so long

No it was not a cop out. I'm tired of people harping on about the lack of male homosexual relationships in Star Trek, like Star Trek should be the bastion of gay rights. Star Trek is a science fiction television programme and homosexuality is not a science fiction issue.

The science fiction story in "Rejoined" was more about the Dax (as in the symbiont) still being in love with Kahn (again, the symbiont) despite both of them being in new hosts. The same issue was raised at the end of TNG's "The Host".

We could just as easily ask why we never saw a D/S relationship or someone marrying a hologram.

No it wasn't about that.
No more than the Omega Directive episode was about the Omega Directive it was an episode about faith.

The show wasn't just a space show it was also a good "moral of the story" show, and was a trailblazer in many other areas such as for women and african americans, all they had to do was the same as they did with Uhura as part of the command crew or a woman as cheif of security with Yar, show that in the future a giagantic circus is not made of such things and it's not a big deal
Read what the producers have said about this topic, I think it was Berman who said "someone at paramount just didn't want it to hapen so it didn't"

Bullshit. You act like the early 90s was subjected to a myriad of homosexual themes on TV and Star Trek copped out and avoided it. Trek was one of the only shows on TV that would go near that topic at all. Two women kissing on TV in 1995 was still a major television event talked about on the news for God's sake

Sorry but two women kising is a ratings boost not a risk, it may have caused a stir because it was unusual for the time, but it was in no way a risk.

The show that gave us the first interracial kiss on TV while american cities were being torn apart by race riots and showing a future without a currency based economy at a time when capitalism is at it's height, would hardly be going too far out on a limb with this topic either.

If others were doing it and they were not that would not make it a cop out, it was a cop out because at the time almost nobody was touching it, and they hadn't the balls to.

 

[Hermiod]

No it wasn't about that.
No more than the Omega Directive episode was about the Omega Directive it was an episode about faith.

You can interpret any episode any way you want to.

The show wasn't just a space show it was also a good "moral of the story" show, and was a trailblazer in many other areas such as for women and african americans, all they had to do was the same as they did with Uhura as part of the command crew or a woman as cheif of security with Yar, show that in the future a giagantic circus is not made of such things and it's not a big deal
Read what the producers have said about this topic, I think it was Berman who said "someone at paramount just didn't want it to hapen so it didn't"

When did I say that Star Trek was just a space show ? I said it's a Science Fiction show and homosexual relationships are not Science Fiction. Star Trek deals in allegory. See Belle and Lokai, for instance.

As you have pointed out, Star Trek has broken down more barriers than possibly any other television show. Why should it be criticised for not doing something no other television show of the time had the guts to do either ?

Perhaps we could have turned DS9 in to Torchwood, where they talk about nothing else and don't get on with the story ?

 

[Damask]

To be sure, we don't know any limit to what "they" would or wouldn't dictate - but we do know they dictate that the joined hosts never divulge the secret that the slugs must all know, that the compatibility problem is a piece of fiction whipped up for political reasons.

I'd agree with this. Audrid was the head of the Symbiosis commission. Surely she would know? Give also that Curzon's feelings about Jadzia wasn't know to Jadzia it would make sense that the slugs aren't as passive as they appear.

 

[Wowbagger]

The show that gave us the first interracial kiss on TV while american cities were being torn apart by race riots...

So, the kiss in "Rejoined," with two women who remembered each other as opposite-sex, was a cop-out, but the kiss in "Plato's Stepchildren," where the white man and the black girl were being mind-controlled by evil space aliens was somehow not a cop-out?

I, too, am sick of the GLBTQ-bashing against Trek. Yes, it's a trailblazing show, but this contingent seems to be expecting something of the show that simply isn't in Star Trek's DNA. Trek is progressive, but has not ever deliberately sought to be a lightning rod of controversy. It's a family TV show, something everyone ages zero and up can gather 'round and watch on Wednesday night. It's Doctor Who, not Torchwood. The people with an agenda need to find another show to foist it on. </rant>

To answer the OP's question: yes, I think Jadzia was definitely bi-sexual. See her comments to Pel in "Rules of Acquisition," before she was aware that Pel was female, and then just take into account that Jadzia rarely advised anything she hadn't tried herself.