Is it possible that Worf was denied his ambassadorship?

[Xerxes1979]

The way I see see he was an unattractive candidate from two angles.

The former House of Moge was poltically influential, therefore any request made by the Federation via Worf would be viewed as not being a neutral request.

Two, as a new member the House of Martok the Chancellor's enemies could easily level nepotism charges against him.

Worf was to be the Federation's ambassador to the Empire so he would have to prove his request against other candidates. Martok's fantasy of hunting targ may have not been a done deal.

It is possible that Worf served as ambassador for a brief period, but why would that be? K'helar was clearly murdered before regular retirement but is there any reason to Worf would quit outside Martok losing the Chancellorship?

If he was still ambassador he should have been wearing the correct garb during Nemesis.

 

[Vulcan Princess]

I'm guessing he served for a short while and then decided either that diplomacy didn't agree with him, or living among other Klingons wasn't as cool as he had expected, so he returned to Starfleet.

 

[sonak]

I agree with the previous poster. He probably served as ambassador for awhile and he didn't like it. I thought a career as a diplomat didn't go along much with what we know of Worf's personality and interests anyway, so this development makes sense.


the ambassadorship thing seemed like a way for them to wrap things up neatly for Worf without considering how compatible with the character it was.

 

[od0_ital]

How was it not compatible?

He got to represent Federation interests (which he's done as a career Starfleet officer) while hangin' out with Klingons (which he does whenever the opportunity comes up!).

I saw it as the perfect way for his character to end - he got to be with his people while maintainin' his awesome Worf-ness.

And I was really pissed that he was shoehorned back into a uniform for NEM without a single explanation. He could just as easily been wearin' civilian clothes at the weddin'...

 

[sonak]

How was it not compatible?

He got to represent Federation interests (which he's done as a career Starfleet officer) while hangin' out with Klingons (which he does whenever the opportunity comes up!).

I saw it as the perfect way for his character to end - he got to be with his people while maintainin' his awesome Worf-ness.

And I was really pissed that he was shoehorned back into a uniform for NEM without a single explanation. He could just as easily been wearin' civilian clothes at the weddin'...

throughout TNG and DS9, most of what we'd seen of Worf would seem to indicate that he considers himself a warrior above all, a man of action who wants to be on a place like a ship, where the battle would be. He's a "shoot first, ask questions later" kind of guy.

What of his background would indicate an interest in diplomacy? A career path that offers little chance for honor in battle or anything like that.


"perhaps today is a good day to conclude a treaty!" ummm... no.



also, since when does he care about hanging around with Klingons? He went back to Starfleet in "Redemption, Part II" and he could have joined the Klingon Defense Forces at any point in time, yet chose a path that left him the only Klingon in Starfleet.

 

[od0_ital]

^

His code for livin' had him remain loyal to the Federation and Starfleet. Yes, he left a few times, over the years, but he always returned. As the Federation Ambassador to the Klingon Empire, he could remain loyal to his true home AND be a part of his cultural home.

As for Worf's "shoot first, talk never" approach...

TNG 'Skin of Evil' had Worf remain on the bridge after the death of Yar, because that's where he needed to be. A phaser wasn't the answer to that problem.

TNG 'The Emissary' had Worf talk down a ship full of angry Klingons, rather than openin' fire on 'em.

TNG 'Peak Performance' showed that Worf knew how to bluff in combat situations, which requires havin' a plan, not just go in guns blazin'.

TNG 'Sins of the Father' gave Worf the opportunity to kill his family's enemy, but he agreed with the politcally safe plan, and while he got some personal satisfaction out of it by bitch slappin' Duras, ya know he'd have enjoyed chokin' the life out of him instead.

TNG 'Reunion' showed that when he has to, Worf knows how to deal with Klingons.

TNG 'Rightful Heir' showed how important Worf can be to the Klingon Empire, that despite everything, his opinion matters, and he uses that to try to improve the Empire as a whole.

'The Way of the Warrior' has Worf kickin' Drex's ass just to get Martok's attention, so he knows how to work the system to get a meetin' with the higher ups. So, his violence had a point, not just a mindless bar fight.

While servin' aboard Martok's ship in the sixth season "Dominion War" arc, Worf stayed in his Starfleet uniform instead of changin' like he did for 'Soldiers of the Empire', showin' his loyalty to the Federation while surrounded by Klingons.

We're not talkin' about the version of Worf that tried to phaser the viewscreen in TNG 'Encounter at Farpoint', ya know...

 

[Admiral Shran]

Why can't he be a Starfleet officer and an ambassador at the same time? We've seen that Starfleet handles a great deal of the Federation's diplomacy.

However, (I haven't read them) but don't the post-Nemesis novels have him resigning as Ambassador and returning to Starfleet?

 

[Photon]

How was it not compatible?

He got to represent Federation interests (which he's done as a career Starfleet officer) while hangin' out with Klingons (which he does whenever the opportunity comes up!).

I saw it as the perfect way for his character to end - he got to be with his people while maintainin' his awesome Worf-ness.

And I was really pissed that he was shoehorned back into a uniform for NEM without a single explanation. He could just as easily been wearin' civilian clothes at the weddin'...

Amen. ST: Nemesis got what it deserved

 

[sonak]

^

His code for livin' had him remain loyal to the Federation and Starfleet. Yes, he left a few times, over the years, but he always returned. As the Federation Ambassador to the Klingon Empire, he could remain loyal to his true home AND be a part of his cultural home.

As for Worf's "shoot first, talk never" approach...

TNG 'Skin of Evil' had Worf remain on the bridge after the death of Yar, because that's where he needed to be. A phaser wasn't the answer to that problem.

TNG 'The Emissary' had Worf talk down a ship full of angry Klingons, rather than openin' fire on 'em.

TNG 'Peak Performance' showed that Worf knew how to bluff in combat situations, which requires havin' a plan, not just go in guns blazin'.

TNG 'Sins of the Father' gave Worf the opportunity to kill his family's enemy, but he agreed with the politcally safe plan, and while he got some personal satisfaction out of it by bitch slappin' Duras, ya know he'd have enjoyed chokin' the life out of him instead.

TNG 'Reunion' showed that when he has to, Worf knows how to deal with Klingons.

TNG 'Rightful Heir' showed how important Worf can be to the Klingon Empire, that despite everything, his opinion matters, and he uses that to try to improve the Empire as a whole.

'The Way of the Warrior' has Worf kickin' Drex's ass just to get Martok's attention, so he knows how to work the system to get a meetin' with the higher ups. So, his violence had a point, not just a mindless bar fight.

While servin' aboard Martok's ship in the sixth season "Dominion War" arc, Worf stayed in his Starfleet uniform instead of changin' like he did for 'Soldiers of the Empire', showin' his loyalty to the Federation while surrounded by Klingons.

We're not talkin' about the version of Worf that tried to phaser the viewscreen in TNG 'Encounter at Farpoint', ya know...

obviously, I never wrote that the ONLY way Worf knew to resolve a problem was to fight, that's a silly reduction of what I was saying.


My point is that Worf as ambassador would be a lot like Kirk as a desk-driving admiral in the beginning of TMP. Basically, it wouldn't suit him. Worf's a starship guy, a man of action. A diplomat is basically a bureaucrat, someone far removed from the action. I can't imagine Worf enjoying the lifestyle of meetings and treaty drafting. Nothing we'd seen of Worf in his previous eleven seasons of Trek would indicate that he'd enjoy being an ambassador. Unless he became too old or severely injured to fight, then he might do something like that.

 

[toughlittleship]

I was just glad that Worf was still in the command division (ie, a red uniform) as established in DS9 in his appearance in Nemesis.

 

[DS9forever]

^ Which raises the question of exactly what role Worf had on the Enterprise at the time.

 

[od0_ital]

^

Utility officer, like he was durin' the first season of TNG. Its entirely possible that he was just hitchin' a ride to be part of the second ceremony on Betazed.

Of course, the post-NEM books have him takin' the job of first officer followin' Data's death. Might as well, right, since he was there already....

 

[MHT1138]

Well, it also fits with the precedent that Worf replaces officers who die in the line of duty. He replaced Tasha as chief of security and tactical, and was going to replace Data at Ops in The Most Toys, until Data showed up not dead.

 

[sonak]

that would be a hilarious officially designated position.


"this is lieutenant Smith, our dead officer replacement guy."

 

[G2309]

I'm guessing he served for a short while and then decided either that diplomacy didn't agree with him, or living among other Klingons wasn't as cool as he had expected, so he returned to Starfleet.

If it was the babylon 5 definition of an ambassodoer he'd like it. Londo, Delenn and G'kar were always in the thick of the action

 

[indolover]

Denied by whom in the Klingon Empire?

To use an analogy, if the US President sends an ambassador to France, does an opposition party in France have grounds to refuse it? More often than not, ambassadorial selection is strictly confined to the executive, and only the executive can grant or deny somebody being an ambassador. Most likely Admiral Ross contacted the Federation President, and he in turn delegated the responsibility of speaking to Martok about the Ambassador position.

Besides, it was favouritism that got the House of Mogh its name back in Redemption, and favouritism that made Martok Chancellor (being Worf's best friend surely was a major factor). Nepotism/favouritism is part of life anyhow.

 

[JRoss]

Worf wasn't denied an ambassadorship; Nemesis never happened.

 

[arch101]

I liked that Worf became a diplomat. It was a nice evolution for the character considering how many years he worked for Picard, a renowned diplomat in his own right. It would have been pretty easy to write an Ambassador Worf into NEM - He was representing the Klingons in the opening of relations with Shinzon. As for his posting being a desk job only, I would imagine that the post war years would potentially provide some occasional situations where Worf would still be able to flex his warriors muscles. Ambassador Worf could have been done with a bit more creative writing, That said, I approve of him ending up as FO of the Enterprise.

 

[od0_ital]

... It would have been pretty easy to write an Ambassador Worf into NEM - He was representing the Klingons in the opening of relations with Shinzon.

Ya know what's even easier than that?

He's a friend & former co-worker of both the bride AND groom at the weddin'! And he was hitchin' a ride from Earth to Betazed when they got sidetracked by the fake positron signals.

Worf could have just done everything he did in NEM, but in civilian clothes instead of a uniform! And without that pansy ass yelp when the android hand grabbed his ankle.

The pussy.

 

[T'Girl]

Worf could have just done everything he did in NEM, but in civilian clothes instead of a uniform!

Except be present on the bridge, during battle, standing behind a weapons console.