is it a good ideal to bring back the draft?

[sidious618]

Those must only be those university types who don't have real world jobs, get free housing and sit around talking all the time.

Yep, you figured it out. Only university professors want UHC.

 

[Rii]

Those must only be those university types who don't have real world jobs, get free housing and sit around talking all the time.

Yep, you figured it out. Only university professors want UHC.

Personally I'm gratified by Alpha Romeo's implication that my nation consists almost entirely of academics.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

Study and scholarship not promoted very highly in your mind, then? And, yes, actually, most of the Americans I've interacted with for any length of time- many of whom I admire deeply- have been students, professors, doctors and others associated with scholarship. It's not my fault if their own people don't value them because it's not a "real world job". And talking! Why, they shouldn't be doing that! Talking never solves anything or provides any answers...

Typical attitude to take. To make assumptions that since I said that, I must not promote scholarship or study. On the contrary, I've got 4 years of college, 3 years of professional school and many years more of real life experience.

Sorry I don't sit around in my ivy league office with my leather elbow patches jawing away about buffy and whoever else...

Oh please, and your assumption that the only people who want UHC are Ivy League professors is less ridiculous?

That is absurd hypocrisy.

Well, to be fair, other people who don't want to work either also support it.

Funny part is, young folks are getting the shaft most of all. There's a sizable chunk of them that choose not to pay for any health care whatsoever, that will now be forced to subsidize the not so ambitious folks.

 

[Deranged Nasat]

Typical attitude to take. To make assumptions that since I said that, I must not promote scholarship or study. On the contrary, I've got 4 years of college, 3 years of professional school and many years more of real life experience.

Sorry I don't sit around in my ivy league office with my leather elbow patches jawing away about buffy and whoever else...

Oh please, and your assumption that the only people who want UHC are Ivy League professors is less ridiculous?

That is absurd hypocrisy.

Well, to be fair, other people who don't want to work either also support it.

Funny part is, young folks are getting the shaft most of all. There's a sizable chunk of them that choose not to pay for any health care whatsoever, that will now be forced to subsidize the not so ambitious folks.

Are you seriously suggesting that in America those who are not "ambitious" do not deserve health care? What, let them flip over and die because they don't claw their way up the social hierarchy? You are such a competitive, aggressive people. You even believe those who can't compete successfully should not receive health care, apparently! Gods forbid we should pay to save our neighbour's lives!

I'm seeing how this relates to the draft issue. If your sons are "weaklings" who won't fight, they are without worth, right? Just as those who can't compete in the workplace don't deserve health care.

 

[john titor]

Far from enslaving one nation after another American soldiers free people.

Lol. What about US interference in South America? Or in Cambodia? Do you genuinely believe the Iraq was about freedom and not about oil? Remember Rumsfeld originally remarked that Saddam was I quote "our sonofabitch." Or the fact that Bin Laden was trained by the CIA. The mulitple assinations of democratically elected leaders across the globe because the US didn't "like them"? America is the dominant power because it does just that, it exercises control over freedom to secure its ideological and economic interests.

You are quite right, but they don't want to think about that. The indoctrination and conditioning runs too deep. As far as many of its inhabitants are concerned, America = "freedom", their own and the world's. Yet their history is one slap in the face to the world's freedom and liberty after another. They refuse to acknowledge it and refuse to learn from their past- and others' past. They wave the flag and it all goes away, all "justified" in the name of the very freedom they've just gone and torn to pieces.

It took a long time, and much suffering across the globe, for the British to learn that, despite what we claimed over and over again, and despite what we truly believed, we were not a force of civilization and morality but instead self-serving, aggressive and liable to tear the planet to pieces in our dumb nationalism. It's taking the Americans just as long.

By the way, T'Girl, some of the quotes you attribute to me above were not in fact from me.

Ah the virtues of groupthink, most people have evolved as groupthinkers but then you have the independent thinkers, of course they get ganged up on by the groupies. The real world is a socially constructed one, not real in other words, just what a certain group of people want to be real for themselves and everyone else.

 

[Deranged Nasat]

Lol. What about US interference in South America? Or in Cambodia? Do you genuinely believe the Iraq was about freedom and not about oil? Remember Rumsfeld originally remarked that Saddam was I quote "our sonofabitch." Or the fact that Bin Laden was trained by the CIA. The mulitple assinations of democratically elected leaders across the globe because the US didn't "like them"? America is the dominant power because it does just that, it exercises control over freedom to secure its ideological and economic interests.

You are quite right, but they don't want to think about that. The indoctrination and conditioning runs too deep. As far as many of its inhabitants are concerned, America = "freedom", their own and the world's. Yet their history is one slap in the face to the world's freedom and liberty after another. They refuse to acknowledge it and refuse to learn from their past- and others' past. They wave the flag and it all goes away, all "justified" in the name of the very freedom they've just gone and torn to pieces.

It took a long time, and much suffering across the globe, for the British to learn that, despite what we claimed over and over again, and despite what we truly believed, we were not a force of civilization and morality but instead self-serving, aggressive and liable to tear the planet to pieces in our dumb nationalism. It's taking the Americans just as long.

By the way, T'Girl, some of the quotes you attribute to me above were not in fact from me.

Ah the virtues of groupthink, most people have evolved as groupthinkers but then you have the independent thinkers, of course they get ganged up on by the groupies. The real world is a socially constructed one, not real in other words, just what a certain group of people want to be real for themselves and everyone else.

True. As you say, they want it to be real "for themselves and everyone else". As I said upthread, it's about their desire to control the perceptions of others, including the most sacred- that of self-perception. And yes, they do and will turn aggressively on anyone who resists. "Draft-dodgers need to be taken out and shot"- we've all heard it...

 

[Alpha Romeo]

Study and scholarship not promoted very highly in your mind, then? And, yes, actually, most of the Americans I've interacted with for any length of time- many of whom I admire deeply- have been students, professors, doctors and others associated with scholarship. It's not my fault if their own people don't value them because it's not a "real world job". And talking! Why, they shouldn't be doing that! Talking never solves anything or provides any answers...

Typical attitude to take. To make assumptions that since I said that, I must not promote scholarship or study. On the contrary, I've got 4 years of college, 3 years of professional school and many years more of real life experience.

Sorry I don't sit around in my ivy league office with my leather elbow patches jawing away about buffy and whoever else...

Like it or not, acknowledge it or not, your comment was dismissive of the worth of people who I have found to bring great service and honour to our people.

HONOR...

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Are you serious? You're yelling at a British person for spelling a word the way it was spelled before an American decided to change it in his dictionaries? It's not like we're talking about Aluminum, which was the original spelling, you're yelling at someone for honour.

 

[Alpha Romeo]

Are you serious? You're yelling at a British person for spelling a word the way it was spelled before an American decided to change it in his dictionaries? It's not like we're talking about Aluminum, which was the original spelling, you're yelling at someone for honour.

What do you care?

 

[Chimpy Chompy]

STRENGTH AND HONOUR!

 

[john titor]

Typical attitude to take. To make assumptions that since I said that, I must not promote scholarship or study. On the contrary, I've got 4 years of college, 3 years of professional school and many years more of real life experience.

Sorry I don't sit around in my ivy league office with my leather elbow patches jawing away about buffy and whoever else...

Like it or not, acknowledge it or not, your comment was dismissive of the worth of people who I have found to bring great service and honour to our people.

HONOR...

No its actually honour, thats the american simplification as with sox, center etc. Honour is how it is spelt.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

Oh please, and your assumption that the only people who want UHC are Ivy League professors is less ridiculous?

That is absurd hypocrisy.

Well, to be fair, other people who don't want to work either also support it.

Funny part is, young folks are getting the shaft most of all. There's a sizable chunk of them that choose not to pay for any health care whatsoever, that will now be forced to subsidize the not so ambitious folks.

Are you seriously suggesting that in America those who are not "ambitious" do not deserve health care? What, let them flip over and die because they don't claw their way up the social hierarchy? You are such a competitive, aggressive people. You even believe those who can't compete successfully should not receive health care, apparently! Gods forbid we should pay to save our neighbour's lives!

I'm seeing how this relates to the draft issue. If your sons are "weaklings" who won't fight, they are without worth, right? Just as those who can't compete in the workplace don't deserve health care.

No, it's meant to convey the opinion that less ambitious people are more willing to take a handout.

In my opinion, only children, disabled people, and elderly people should be guaranteed health care. If you're an able bodied adult you should be only entitled to affordable access to health care which you pay for. I have too much respect for myself to ask ANYONE to pay for mine.

Am I competitive? You bet!

 

[Deranged Nasat]

Well, to be fair, other people who don't want to work either also support it.

Funny part is, young folks are getting the shaft most of all. There's a sizable chunk of them that choose not to pay for any health care whatsoever, that will now be forced to subsidize the not so ambitious folks.

Are you seriously suggesting that in America those who are not "ambitious" do not deserve health care? What, let them flip over and die because they don't claw their way up the social hierarchy? You are such a competitive, aggressive people. You even believe those who can't compete successfully should not receive health care, apparently! Gods forbid we should pay to save our neighbour's lives!

I'm seeing how this relates to the draft issue. If your sons are "weaklings" who won't fight, they are without worth, right? Just as those who can't compete in the workplace don't deserve health care.

No, it's meant to convey the opinion that less ambitious people are more willing to take a handout.

In my opinion, only children, disabled people, and elderly people should be guaranteed health care. If you're an able bodied adult you should be only entitled to affordable access to health care which you pay for. I have too much respect for myself to ask ANYONE to pay for mine.

Am I competitive? You bet!

Healthy competition to prevent stagnation and encourage quality in our work is good and useful, and should always be encouraged, but not at the expense of co-operation and care. If you were to become unemployed- a real possibility in today's economy- and/or suffer unforeseen personal economic/financial disaster, then I don't see why it's detrimental to you in terms of respect to ensure you will receive treatment if you suffer illness. I acknowledge that I am not you, and your sense of self-respect is not my place to be intruding, but I don't see why competition has to cut its ties with mutual care and co-operation. I mean, by your logic, why not say doctors should only heal themselves, since as only they've worked hard for years to get that medical knowledge?

 

[john titor]

Well, to be fair, other people who don't want to work either also support it.

Funny part is, young folks are getting the shaft most of all. There's a sizable chunk of them that choose not to pay for any health care whatsoever, that will now be forced to subsidize the not so ambitious folks.

Are you seriously suggesting that in America those who are not "ambitious" do not deserve health care? What, let them flip over and die because they don't claw their way up the social hierarchy? You are such a competitive, aggressive people. You even believe those who can't compete successfully should not receive health care, apparently! Gods forbid we should pay to save our neighbour's lives!

I'm seeing how this relates to the draft issue. If your sons are "weaklings" who won't fight, they are without worth, right? Just as those who can't compete in the workplace don't deserve health care.

No, it's meant to convey the opinion that less ambitious people are more willing to take a handout.

In my opinion, only children, disabled people, and elderly people should be guaranteed health care. If you're an able bodied adult you should be only entitled to affordable access to health care which you pay for. I have too much respect for myself to ask ANYONE to pay for mine.

Am I competitive? You bet!

The world isn't as simple as that my friend.

 

[sidious618]

Are you serious? You're yelling at a British person for spelling a word the way it was spelled before an American decided to change it in his dictionaries? It's not like we're talking about Aluminum, which was the original spelling, you're yelling at someone for honour.

What do you care?

Someone is having a bad day.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

Are you seriously suggesting that in America those who are not "ambitious" do not deserve health care? What, let them flip over and die because they don't claw their way up the social hierarchy? You are such a competitive, aggressive people. You even believe those who can't compete successfully should not receive health care, apparently! Gods forbid we should pay to save our neighbour's lives!

I'm seeing how this relates to the draft issue. If your sons are "weaklings" who won't fight, they are without worth, right? Just as those who can't compete in the workplace don't deserve health care.

No, it's meant to convey the opinion that less ambitious people are more willing to take a handout.

In my opinion, only children, disabled people, and elderly people should be guaranteed health care. If you're an able bodied adult you should be only entitled to affordable access to health care which you pay for. I have too much respect for myself to ask ANYONE to pay for mine.

Am I competitive? You bet!

Healthy competition to prevent stagnation and encourage quality in our work is good and useful, and should always be encouraged, but not at the expense of co-operation and care. If you were to become unemployed- a real possibility in today's economy- and/or suffer unforeseen personal economic/financial disaster, then I don't see why it's detrimental to you in terms of respect to ensure you will receive treatment if you suffer illness. I acknowledge that I am not you, and your sense of self-respect is not my place to be intruding, but I don't see why competition has to cut its ties with mutual care and co-operation. I mean, by your logic, why not say doctors should only heal themselves, since as only they've worked hard for years to get that medical knowledge?

I'm not saying there shouldn't be social safety nets. There should be. But there need to be limits. No able-bodied adult should rely on others for their well being or sustenance on a day-to-day basis.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

Are you seriously suggesting that in America those who are not "ambitious" do not deserve health care? What, let them flip over and die because they don't claw their way up the social hierarchy? You are such a competitive, aggressive people. You even believe those who can't compete successfully should not receive health care, apparently! Gods forbid we should pay to save our neighbour's lives!

I'm seeing how this relates to the draft issue. If your sons are "weaklings" who won't fight, they are without worth, right? Just as those who can't compete in the workplace don't deserve health care.

No, it's meant to convey the opinion that less ambitious people are more willing to take a handout.

In my opinion, only children, disabled people, and elderly people should be guaranteed health care. If you're an able bodied adult you should be only entitled to affordable access to health care which you pay for. I have too much respect for myself to ask ANYONE to pay for mine.

Am I competitive? You bet!

The world isn't as simple as that my friend.

Not saying it's simple, John. But it's a better idea in principle than believing the government is going to take care of us!

 

[Deranged Nasat]

No, it's meant to convey the opinion that less ambitious people are more willing to take a handout.

In my opinion, only children, disabled people, and elderly people should be guaranteed health care. If you're an able bodied adult you should be only entitled to affordable access to health care which you pay for. I have too much respect for myself to ask ANYONE to pay for mine.

Am I competitive? You bet!

The world isn't as simple as that my friend.

Not saying it's simple, John. But it's a better idea in principle than believing the government is going to take care of us!

So, you admit then that the citizens cannot rely on the goodwill of their government? That the government does not "take care of" and provide for the citizens? That that is not the nature of your government? So, a draft would indeed then be subjugation to that government, would it not? It imposes on you but does not provide back. An exploitative arrangement.

 

[Gepard]

thats the american simplification as with sox...

"Sox?" I've never seen that outside the name of a sport's team.

 

[Deranged Nasat]

No, it's meant to convey the opinion that less ambitious people are more willing to take a handout.

In my opinion, only children, disabled people, and elderly people should be guaranteed health care. If you're an able bodied adult you should be only entitled to affordable access to health care which you pay for. I have too much respect for myself to ask ANYONE to pay for mine.

Am I competitive? You bet!

Healthy competition to prevent stagnation and encourage quality in our work is good and useful, and should always be encouraged, but not at the expense of co-operation and care. If you were to become unemployed- a real possibility in today's economy- and/or suffer unforeseen personal economic/financial disaster, then I don't see why it's detrimental to you in terms of respect to ensure you will receive treatment if you suffer illness. I acknowledge that I am not you, and your sense of self-respect is not my place to be intruding, but I don't see why competition has to cut its ties with mutual care and co-operation. I mean, by your logic, why not say doctors should only heal themselves, since as only they've worked hard for years to get that medical knowledge?

I'm not saying there shouldn't be social safety nets. There should be. But there need to be limits. No able-bodied adult should rely on others for their well being or sustenance on a day-to-day basis.

Hunt all your own food, do you? Make your own power, filter your own water?