Is (guess who) a (insert something) Sue? (Spoilers)

[BillJ]

Apparently, no one since no one is responding to the substance of my post.

Probably because we’ve been fighting this nonsense for years now. People are simply tired, as thousands of posts have been written on the subject here.

As far as Rey and the Falcon goes, she plays bump ass all over Jakku with it before getting the hang of it, and she says she’s a pilot. So how is it any different than Luke hopping into a fighter he’s never touched before and flying it like a pro?

 

[Crewman6]

Probably because we’ve been fighting this nonsense for years now.

Well, that's because I never weighed in with the correct answer. Until now.

People are simply tired, as thousands of posts have been written on the subject here.

If you're tired of it, stay out of the threads that discuss it.

As far as Rey and the Falcon goes, she plays bump ass all over Jakku with it before getting the hang of it, and she says she’s a pilot. So how is it any different than Luke hopping into a fighter he’s never touched before and flying it like a pro?

Rey has a bumpy takeoff and then flies like a complete expert.

And, as I've said, it's not any ONE skill, it's the cumulative effective MANY amazing skills that are not balanced out by any moments of true vulnerability, fallibility or failure.

 

[BillJ]

Well, that's because I never weighed in with the correct answer.

Correct to you, I guess?

If you're tired of it, stay out of the threads that discuss it.

I like it here just fine, I'm just not going to do your leg work for you. Everything you've stated is answered across dozens of threads and thousands of posts.

And, as I've said, it's not any ONE skill, it's the cumulative effective MANY amazing skills that are not balanced out by any moments of true vulnerability, fallibility or failure.

Luke hangs with Vader after a couple of days training with Yoda. Somehow never goes back to Dagobah in between Empire... and Return..., yet has completed his training (the training that is supposed to take years). He's a great pilot (shooting womp rats with a T-16 is supposed to be this great thing), good with a light saber, has no issue using the Force to bend people to his will... doing it all with very little training.

The biggest difference I see between Luke and Rey is attitude. She seems thankful for everything that she has, and likely leaned on the Force to survive on Jakku without even knowing it. Luke, on the other hand, was a whiner. Having things handed to him without much effort needed, like a suburban kid with wealthy parents.

YMMV.

 

[fireproof78]

Real characters should be fleshed out and allowed to show glimmers of humanity, even our larger than life heroes. But making someone who can waltz into any situation and kick ass all of the time -- that's the opposite of drama. It's just plain bad writing.

I disagree. I think Rey fails and I think she is very human, and very relatable. She gets rescued be Chewie in TFA, by Luke in TLJ and by Kylo Ren in TROS. There are moments of weakness, pain and vulnerability where she struggles to figure out her identity.

No, she's not Luke. Her struggles are very different. And that's what makes her compelling.

Mileage will vary. As I said, I have no doubt I won't convince you. But, I know what I have watched and see within this character.

 

[suarezguy]

The biggest difference I see between Luke and Rey is attitude. She seems thankful for everything that she has, and likely leaned on the Force to survive on Jakku without even knowing it. Luke, on the other hand, was a whiner. Having things handed to him without much effort needed, like a suburban kid with wealthy parents.

When he did get whiny, which I think was pretty rare after ANH, he got slammed down ("You can waste time with your friends when your chores are done," "You'll find yourself floating home," "What know you of ready?").

 

[Shawnster]

Rey ... speaks droid

She speaks droid because *literally almost everyone* in the SW universe speaks droid of some kind.

"Everyone" speaks droid? She's literally the first human shown in the films to be able to converse with a droid fluently.

Both Anakin and Obi-Wan can speak with R2 and R4, respectively.

I don't remember Luke having any issues communicating with R2.

Eh, I'm more iffy on that one. He looks to 3PO constantly in ANH, and then has the X-Wing translator for ROTJ. However, there is also the scene where he asks if R2 is alright and then says "Good" in response to the beeps. Could go either way.

Nope. It's because Rey can speak to BB-8 without issue

Poe seems to understand BB-8

Kaz definitely understands CB-23

Everyone seemed to understand Bucket

We all understand Chopper.

 

[The Wormhole]

Yeah, since Disney took over, everyone seems to be able to understand astromechs just fine. Even in TLJ Luke carried on a conversation just fine with R2 despite he and everyone else needing C-3PO to translate for R2 in the other movies, unless R2 was plugged in a fighter with a translation popping up on screen. So it's something different since Disney took over, but everyone is able to understand an astromech's beeps and whistles now, not just Rey.

 

[Smellmet]

Yeah, since Disney took over, everyone seems to be able to understand astromechs just fine. Even in TLJ Luke carried on a conversation just fine with R2 despite he and everyone else needing C-3PO to translate for R2 in the other movies, unless R2 was plugged in a fighter with a translation popping up on screen. So it's something different since Disney took over, but everyone is able to understand an astromech's beeps and whistles now, not just Rey.

I thought near the end of ANH when Luke was about to board the X-wing Luke said to R2 'you ok R2?' and replied 'good' after he beeped at him. Granted, it was probably pretty obvious his answer was yes, but it looked like a routine exchange between the two as if communicating to each other I this way was normal. Just an example of the top off my head.

 

[Crewman6]

Poe seems to understand BB-8

Kaz definitely understands CB-23

Everyone seemed to understand Bucket

We all understand Chopper.

Of course Poe understand BB-8, that's his droid. But Rey converses freely with both BB-8 and Chewbacca when in every other movie, communication between Chewie and or astro droids was done only by characters with specific reasons to have learned those languages.

It's just part of (admittedly, a small part) of the chain of events that sets up Rey as an improbably skillful person who never encounters a situation she can't handle.

Everyone likes to nitpick one or two of my suggestions, which is fair. But it's not about "one" thing, it's about all of them in context, the sum total of them all together.

Hell, they could have explained away almost all of these problems if when they showed Rey eating her solitary dinner, instead of dicking around with an old X-Wing helmet she was just reading a book.

 

[cooleddie74]

Luke understood Artoo in ESB. He never wondered what he was telling him on Hoth or on Dagobah. The X-Wing cockpit provided him an automatically translated feed of whatever Artoo was telling him from the droid socket but in hindsight I doubt Luke needed that display to understand what he was saying. Both he and Anakin seemed to understand Artoo pretty well.

 

[Crewman6]

I thought near the end of ANH when Luke was about to board the X-wing Luke said to R2 'you ok R2?' and replied 'good' after he beeped at him. Granted, it was probably pretty obvious his answer was yes, but it looked like a routine exchange between the two as if communicating to each other I this way was normal. Just an example of the top off my head.

Luke understood Artoo in ESB. He never wondered what he was telling him on Hoth or on Dagobah.

Yes, almost everyone can understand the basic "gist" of what R2 says by his inflection, tone, etc. But Luke doesn't carry on open conversations with him and, in fact, we see him using a translator screen on the X-Wing for more in-depth communication.

By the time TLJ rolls around, it totally stands to reason that Luke would have "learned" R2's language. In fact, I was kind of annoyed that he couldn't speak Wookiee at that point, but I also understand that we needed someone to translate for the audience's sake.

 

[Campe]

The understanding of other languages has been wildly inconsistent in Star Wars. It’s unfair to put that solely on the sequel trilogy alone when the prequels did it too.

 

[cooleddie74]

Obi-Wan in AOTC and the beginning of ROTS seemed to have a smooth dialogue with R4-P17 and didn't seem to have any problems either communicating with that astromech nor did it seem to have any issues talking to him. His communications with R4-P17 in The Clone Wars were probably similarly as smooth and unfettered by biological-mechanical walls of separation.

 

[Crewman6]

Good god, people. I never said "NO ONE CAN EVER TALK TO DROIDS." FFS, I said that, given the large number of special skills Rey has, it eventually reaches a tipping point where her character becomes too perfect and too skillful.

Talking to droids is just ONE thing on a LOOOONG list of skills Rey has. Considering everyone else on Jakku is desperately trying to get their hands on BB-8 just because he's a shiny new piece of impressive technology suggests that seeing a spiffy, high-tech droid like that would probably be a rare sight. Ergo, Rey happening to speak his language is not justified, nor is her speaking Wookiee.

And taken within the context of ALL the other crap Rey does, it's a lot. For the last time, it's not any "one thing."

 

[Gov Kodos]

Luke could do all that stuff right out of the barn.

 

[cooleddie74]

And Anakin, most probably. I don't remember too many instances if any where Anakin as a child, young adult Padawan or full-fledged Jedi Knight couldn't understand what Artoo was saying.

 

[BillJ]

And Anakin, most probably. I don't remember too many instances if any where Anakin as a child, young adult Padawan or full-fledged Jedi Knight couldn't understand what Artoo was saying.

Anakin was a great pilot as a child even winning a pod race which is supposed to be impossible for a human to do, and does it with a sabotaged pod. Luke is fucking flying an X-Wing on his first day and destroys the Death Star, it is all perfectly fine. Rey gets the Falcon off the ground and shows a bit of skill in the cockpit, "OH MY FUCKING GOD!!! WHAT A FUCKING MARY SUE!!!"

 

[crookeddy]

While you guys are destroying the assertion of Rey's unusual skills point by point, you are missing the assertion that the poster is having, which is that she is good at everything.

 

[BillJ]

While you guys are destroying the assertion of Rey's unusual skills point by point, you are missing the assertion that the poster is having, which is that she is good at everything.

I perfectly understand the point. Luke and Anakin are both good at a lot of shit in little or very short periods of time. How exactly is Luke keeping Vader from reading his mind in "Empire..."?

"Obi-wan has taught you well..."

 

[crookeddy]

The Jedi powers are so easily defeated sometimes, that they are almost like Star Trek transporters. When a shuttle needs to crash for story purposes, "atmospheric interference is making transport impossible!"