Is Gary Mitchell in this film?

[ChristopherK]

If this is pre WNMHGB then Gary should be there. Is this maybe between WNMHGB and ManTrap?

Has anyone heard about casting on Gary?

Also, now that I think of it, Sulu was not a bridge officer pre WNMHGB, he was in physics??

 

[davejames]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think it was established in that episode how long Gary had been aboard the Enterprise. Obviously he and Kirk were longtime friends, but for all we knew he only transferred aboard right before the episode began.

I DO think it would be cool if he was in the movie though.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Gary Mitchell will be played by FutureGuy (who unbeknownst to everyone but Old Spock, is actually Chef).

 

[Christopher]

ChristopherK said:
Also, now that I think of it, Sulu was not a bridge officer pre WNMHGB, he was in physics??

Astrophysics, yes. Also, Piper was the doctor, Alden was at communications, and Chekov would've still been at the Academy. It's unclear as yet what roles some of the characters will be playing. It also seems that the movie will cover multiple time periods, so it may not all be pilot-era.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

I still believe that, whatever format changes and emphasis changes may have occurred since the early script may have been put into place, the movie is not so much about one specific incident or adventure and more about "who is this Kirk guy and what made him grow from a callow Iowa kid to an intergalactic hero?" Everything we've seen so far tells us that there are multiple timeframes, and that the films is mainly told from Nimoy's Spock's perspective.

The main thing that's surprising me, so far, is just how much emphasis seems to be being paid to the TOS timeframe. Of course, nothing from the production team has really demonstrated that this portion of the film is the majority of it... that's largely internet speculation. I'm inclined to buy into it as of now, but that doesn't mean it's ultimately going to turn out to be true. We might only see five minutes worth of "TOS-era" stuff.

 

[Angel4576]

Pretty sure it's going to be set before the events of WNMHGF. Isn't it supposed to be Kirk's first mission out of the Academy or something? Or the first time that Kirk and Spock meet?

 

[Christopher]

^^Those are old, old rumors. There may be flashbacks to the Academy but it's not the main thrust of the film. The actors are in their late 20s and 30s, so that should tell you something about the timeframe.

 

[Angel4576]

^^ Suddenly I'm remembering all those shows with 30 year olds playing teens!

I must admit, as far as the plot goes, I've not really followed it too closely.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Christopher said:^^Those are old, old rumors. There may be flashbacks to the Academy but it's not the main thrust of the film. The actors are in their late 20s and 30s, so that should tell you something about the timeframe.

Kirk is a CAPTAIN in "Where No Man Has Gone Before." There are a LOT of years between the point where a guy is a "cadet" or "midshipman" to the point where he or she can hold the rank of Captain. Even if Kirk was the youngest Starship Captain in the history of Starfleet, there's NO RATIONAL MINDSET that could possibly conclude that he graduated from the Academy and got his command the next day.

So... your statement, quoted above, is really totally unrelated to the comment you seem to have been replying to.

Being set before WNMHGB would NOT mean it's set during Kirk's days as an undergrad cadet (in his late teens or early 20s).

Why you made that connection in the first place seems... odd. Care to expand?

 

[23skidoo]

Cary L. Brown said:
The main thing that's surprising me, so far, is just how much emphasis seems to be being paid to the TOS timeframe. Of course, nothing from the production team has really demonstrated that this portion of the film is the majority of it... that's largely internet speculation. I'm inclined to buy into it as of now, but that doesn't mean it's ultimately going to turn out to be true. We might only see five minutes worth of "TOS-era" stuff.

Doubtful. They wouldn't be pulling Quinto off production of the hottest show on TV just for a 5-minute cameo. And they can't bring Kirk back in the TNG era without making this a sequel to Generations.

In fact I fully expect the opposite to happen - that Nimoy's role is going to be more of a glorified cameo.

Cheers

Alex

 

[Cary L. Brown]

23skidoo said:

Cary L. Brown said:
The main thing that's surprising me, so far, is just how much emphasis seems to be being paid to the TOS timeframe. Of course, nothing from the production team has really demonstrated that this portion of the film is the majority of it... that's largely internet speculation. I'm inclined to buy into it as of now, but that doesn't mean it's ultimately going to turn out to be true. We might only see five minutes worth of "TOS-era" stuff.

Doubtful. They wouldn't be pulling Quinto off production of the hottest show on TV just for a 5-minute cameo. And they can't bring Kirk back in the TNG era without making this a sequel to Generations.

In fact I fully expect the opposite to happen - that Nimoy's role is going to be more of a glorified cameo.

Cheers

Alex

Sorry, that's not remotely what I said.

TOS, to me, means "during the five-year mission." My point is, and always has been, that we don't know how much of the film will be set during that timeframe, how much may be set BEFORE, how much may be set AFTER...

Here's what I expect to see... your mileage may vary.

1) The opening sequence opens up with Nimoy as "old Spock," post-Nemesis.

2) The scene shifts back to Early Kirkhood (pre-academy).

3) The scene shifts to Cadet Kirk (very brief).

4) The scene shifts to Farragut Kirk (ten minutes, with the lead actor playing the role).

5) The scene shifts to Lieutenant Kirk at the Academy's Command School, meeting Lieutenant Spock and taking the Kobayashi Maru, being left by Carol Marcus, etc.

6) The scene shifts to Commander Kirk on his first command (The Alexander?).

7) The scene shifts to Kirk, just before WNMHGB, taking command of Enterprise.

The scene shifts to the TOS era.

9) The scene shifts to post-TOS, pre-TMP.

10) We finally return to "Old Spock" in real, post-Nemesis time.

Now, I've always held that the bulk of the story would be centered from the time of the Command School program through the time just before WNMHGB, but that I expected to see "vignettes" set both before and after that.

So far, everything I'm seeing is consistent with that, with the exception that it seems that the actual TOS window may be longer and more involved than I'd expected.

You interpreted, INCORRECTLY, that I was saying that the film would be "Old Spock-Centric" in terms of screen time. I was saying nothing of the sort. I just expect to see less "during the 5-year-mission" time. But we can see PLENTY of "Young Spock" outside of that window.

I, personally, don't expect to see any interaction between Nimoy and Quinto. I expect the story to be told from the perspective of Old Spock, but as largely seen through Young Spock's eyes.

Make sense?

 

[ST-One]

Cary L. Brown said:
Here's what I expect to see... your mileage may vary.

1) The opening sequence opens up with Nimoy as "old Spock," post-Nemesis.

2) The scene shifts back to Early Kirkhood (pre-academy).

3) The scene shifts to Cadet Kirk (very brief).

4) The scene shifts to Farragut Kirk (ten minutes, with the lead actor playing the role).

5) The scene shifts to Lieutenant Kirk at the Academy's Command School, meeting Lieutenant Spock and taking the Kobayashi Maru, being left by Carol Marcus, etc.

6) The scene shifts to Commander Kirk on his first command (The Alexander?).

7) The scene shifts to Kirk, just before WNMHGB, taking command of Enterprise.

The scene shifts to the TOS era.

9) The scene shifts to post-TOS, pre-TMP.

10) We finally return to "Old Spock" in real, post-Nemesis time.

Such a film would be horrible.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

ST-One said:

Cary L. Brown said:
Here's what I expect to see... your mileage may vary.

1) The opening sequence opens up with Nimoy as "old Spock," post-Nemesis.

2) The scene shifts back to Early Kirkhood (pre-academy).

3) The scene shifts to Cadet Kirk (very brief).

4) The scene shifts to Farragut Kirk (ten minutes, with the lead actor playing the role).

5) The scene shifts to Lieutenant Kirk at the Academy's Command School, meeting Lieutenant Spock and taking the Kobayashi Maru, being left by Carol Marcus, etc.

6) The scene shifts to Commander Kirk on his first command (The Alexander?).

7) The scene shifts to Kirk, just before WNMHGB, taking command of Enterprise.

The scene shifts to the TOS era.

9) The scene shifts to post-TOS, pre-TMP.

10) We finally return to "Old Spock" in real, post-Nemesis time.

Such a film would be horrible.

Of course it would! It's so OBVIOUS.... sheesh, what was I THINKING?

Yes, of course... the logic of your point is unassailable.

What WAS the logic of your point, anyway, other than "I don't like it?"

............

C'mon... if you're going to make an argument... MAKE one. Don't just throw out unsupported statements. That's hardly the basis for ANY form of discussion... is it?

You think that would make for a horrible story. WHY?

Are you really that tied into the "hour-long-episode" mindset that you can't envision any story taking place over a period of time?

Seems to me that one of the acknowledged BEST TNG Episodes..."The Inner Light"... followed this same approach VERY closely.

So, do you think that the story of "The Inner Light" was also "horrible?"