Is Entetprise over?
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Hey, if VOY books can sell, I don't see why ENT ones can't.
Voyager did have more viewers than Enterprise, and lasted its full seven year term. But let's not make this a Voyager vs Enterprise pissing match.
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(Oh, and you're probably not actually a bitch).
Did you just totally ignore the part where I said (and now emphasized) "That doesn't mean that there can't be any further stories featuring those characters?"
Did you also forget that--unlike Deep Space Nine and the Voyager--NX-01 Enterprise was decommissioned at a specific point in time? I'd like to see how the Enterprise crew can continue past 2161 without the actual Enterprise. Do you propose that they wound up on a Federation Starship Enterprise that came before Kirk's?
You could simply subtitle an arc of new books "Enterprise Legacy" or "Beyond Enterprise", or any other titles.
Or they could simply be the titles of a new series that take place after ENT.
A whole new book series has to work very hard to win over an audience. If it's going to feature all the cast of characters from "Enterprise", it needs to have "Enterprise" in the title somewhere. For copyrights, licensing and brand-recognition, too.
"New Frontier" started off with Picard and Spock prominently on the cover, followed by Shelby, Selar and Lefler, and "based on TNG" inside, letting readers know to expect lots of TNG characters, even though it was a new series. But Peter David also carried a lot of clout and attracted fans of Peter David's writing, not just fans of TNG.
I was thinking that the crew could expand beyond simply NX-01's.
EDIT: Sorry, had to pop offline for a bit to deal with something. What I meant above was something more along the lines of "Titan" that branched off from TNG, but was still in that era and used a few characters from that series.
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If the books can make it to where Tripp's death didn't REALLY happen, then they can make it to where the NX-01 is still in service. Besides, just because a ship is decomissioned, doesn't mean it can't be REcomissioned. The SCE got old Daedalus class ships out of mothballs. Drexler did a nice NX-01 refit. Perhaps the Enterprise is brought out of mothballs to test a new warp core and warp 7 engines. The foundation is laid for this to happen.
or the Enterprise could be transferred to a non-Starfleet entity, like a futuristic NOAA.
Well let's take stock(correct me if I'm wrong on any of these, ds9 characters are hell to keep up with)
Sisko - sadly keeping the hell away from the bajor system thanks to rboe
Kira - possible but quite a bit of writing required since she's all vedek'd up
Garak - part of the cardassian government and focused on trying to rebuild cardassia so unlikely for anything but a cameo
Nog - nagus so cameo only
quark - yes
jake sisko - not really relevant since he's not a kid anymore
odo - lot of writing required
ezri - no(thank god)
bashir - doing all that secret agent stupidity, I would be absurdly happy if that was junked and he went back to ds9, but seems unlikely
o'brien - possible, we have no idea what he's doing right now since the fun short story on cardassia.
The only person apart from quark, who's already there, that it would be easy to bring back is o'brien. So I really can't see this happening in two books.
Recomissioned after new secondary hull added as per Ships Of The Line ?
Garak is the Cardassian ambassador to the Federation, so his recent appearances have featured him on Earth; Bashir was still on DS9 at the end of Zero Sum Game.
It's a lot harder to fake a ship that's been decommissioned and turned into a museum than it is to fake one man's death. People aren't in the habit of digging up graves every day for years on end just to make sure the corpse is still there, but people do tend to see decommissioned ships in port and board them when they're museum ships.
I doubt the nascent Federation would allow the Enterprise NX-01 to be recommissioned. By that point, there were very few NX-class United Earth starships left, and the Enterprise was particularly historically significant, since Captain Archer's work helped lay the foundations for establishing the Coalition of Planets and then the Federation itself. With the Federation able to pool resources from multiple worlds and the Romulans defeated, I think it's likely that they'd want to decommission such a historic ship and keep it out of danger.
I could imagine an ENT series that takes the characters beyond the Founding of the Federation and follows them, and which maybe culminates in a single "last roundup" where Admiral Archer (perhaps surreptitiously) pulls the NX-01 out of port in a sort of Search for Spock-esque caper. But I really don't think there's a plausible way to keep the Enterprise NX-01 in service.
I don't see how. The canon has been very explicit over the years: There are six Federation starships named Enterprise, and the NCC-1701 was the first. We can mentally fudge things and assume the NX-01 wasn't included in those statements because it was a United Earth starship rather than a Federation starship, but if we have a novel set after the Founding of the Federation with them doing that, then you suddenly have a Federation starship Enterprise antedating the NCC-1701. I don't think there's any wiggle room there.
Besides, I think the Ships of the Line refit is a bad idea. The Constitution class from TOS shouldn't look like it's a direct descendant of the NX class; it should look like it incorporates design elements from Vulcan, Andorian, and Tellarite starships, too. Otherwise you just have this creepy implication that the Federation is essentially an Earth hegemony rather than a union of equals.
Now, as it stands, we actually can justify the idea that the Constitution class is a descendent of non-Human ship classes, too -- the presence of the dorsal hull is reminiscent of the Vulcan Suurak class; the engineering hull is reminiscent of the main body of the Andorian Kumari-class starships; the saucer hull is clearly the descendent of the United Earth NX class but is also reminiscent of the unnamed class of Tellarite cruisers seen in ENT Season Four. (And certainly one would imagine that all sorts of interior systems come from non-Human design lineages, too.)
But if we start adding all these other elements to the NX class in the 22nd Century, I think that severely undermines the idea both that the NX class is 100 years less advanced than the Constitution class, and that the Federation is a union of equals.
Your mileage on my opinion here may vary, of course.
I don't see why it is hard to believe the NX-01 ould be pulled out of mothballs. If Starfleet wanted a test vehicle, perhaps it makes sense to refit a decommisioned ship than pull an in service ship from duty to participate in an experiment which could permanently remove it from the fleet.
1. Because it's not established to be in "mothballs;" it's established to be a museum ship. That means that it's being preserved because of its historic importance. You wouldn't use a ship you want preserved for future generations as a testbed for new designs.
2. Again, you face the question of why it's not included in the list of Federation starships Enterprise if you have the NX-01 being used as anything other than a decommissioned museum ship.
You don't need an Enterprise to do more stories of the lives of Archer's crew. Archer is supposedly destined to do ambassadorial work on Andor and later to run for President of the Federation. At the end of his life, according to that barely-glimpsed onscreen biography, Captain April launches the Constitution-class Enterprise.
Archer himself wouldn't need a ship to do all those things, but he certainly might have need to interact with his former crewmates and find important jobs for them in the early days of the formation of the UFP and Starfleet, and the construction of the conjectural NCC-1700 and, of course, the NCC-1701. Hence my suggestion that any novels set in this period could have a title such as "Legacy of Enterprise".
Archer himself wouldn't need a ship to do all those things, but he certainly might have need to interact with his former crewmates and find important jobs for them in the early days of the formation of the UFP and Starfleet, and the construction of the conjectural NCC-1700 and, of course, the NCC-1701. Hence my suggestion that any novels set in this period could have a title such as "Legacy of Enterprise".
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