If you think I'm patrolling Gotham, you have reality issues. I never said real life. Here's that full sentence:
Did you really think I meant a person in the real world could fight Darkseid?
Is Daredevil Closer to a "costumed hero" or a "superhero"
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Anyway, no, not everyone can be Batman because his cunning, courage, determination, etc. are a big part of what makes him who he is.
I think you have a better argument that anyone can be Iron Man if they have the suit. Certainly, it's hard under your logic, to argue War Machine is a superhero. I think he is, but I've made it clear that I reject the premise, so that shouldn't be a surprise.
I think you have a better argument that anyone can be Iron Man if they have the suit. Certainly, it's hard under your logic, to argue War Machine is a superhero. I think he is, but I've made it clear that I reject the premise, so that shouldn't be a surprise.
^Yeah, part of my point was does gear make superheros but in regards to Iron Man and War Machine, I would call them superheroes. Tony is because of his knowhow to build the suit (and it's power source) and only Tony and James can operate the suits. That's another reason why I should consider Batman a superhero, he does have a strong mental prowess, he has the knowhow to take Superman. The other part of my point is (in the comic world The Old Mixer) are his skills trainable or did his origin give him a focus your average comic civilian could never master.
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I think it's been pretty well established that Bruce Wayne is no ordinary person. He's the World's Greatest Detective and perhaps its second-greatest martial artist (after Lady Shiva). He's got exceptional intelligence, physical prowess, durability, perceptiveness, and of course dedication. A lot of that is due to training, but training can only do so much. It can take you to the peak of your own potential, but some people have more potential in certain areas than others. I'm sure tons of basketball players got just as much training as Michael Jordan, but most of them didn't end up becoming Michael Jordan.
What Bruce said to Blake in The Dark Knight Rises wasn't "Anyone could be Batman" -- it was "Batman could be anyone." There's a difference. The point wasn't that any given person could be turned into Batman, but that Batman was a symbol rather than a specific individual, and that it was possible for another person to embody the same symbol if they had the right qualifications and the right commitment.
What Bruce said to Blake in The Dark Knight Rises wasn't "Anyone could be Batman" -- it was "Batman could be anyone." There's a difference. The point wasn't that any given person could be turned into Batman, but that Batman was a symbol rather than a specific individual, and that it was possible for another person to embody the same symbol if they had the right qualifications and the right commitment.
Part of my point in mentioning what I see as Batman's analog of cosmic rays was that, at least in Batman's case, I think that, in the essential ways, it's the latter. I believe that Batman has "a focus your average comic civilian could never master", and that's because of the murder of his parents.
This focus is what drove Bruce to become Batman. Without it, Batman would never have existed.
Iron Man and his like are definitely super-heroes because they use gear that doesn't exist in our world and isn't common in theirs. Their powers are artificial, but they're still powers.
Around and around and around we go....
Sarcasm is lost on you.
There's nothing in that sentence to give the context that you specifically meant anyone in a comic book world. thus it stood out as an extremely silly-sounding statement. As for people in the world of comics, you conveniently ignored this:
Around and around and around we go....
Thanks CorporalCaptain and Christopher, I didn't consider Batman a superhero at the beginning of this thread but his feats do speak for themselves.
Darkseid is in that sentence. Are you saying he's real or are you trolling or something? If you think I meant could anyone in the real world be Batman, the answer is no. People in the real world can't be known for surviving an encounter with Darkseid.
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The whole thread gives that context. This is a discussion about comic-book worlds, so it's just common sense to assume that any given statement is about those worlds unless otherwise specified. I found it obvious that bbjeg was speaking within the fictional context, just like everyone else here is.
Within the context of this discussion, I think any statement to the effect that anybody could become Batman bears scrutiny, regardless of whether they're talking about the real world or the world in which Batman lives.
Whatever, guys. Somebody else makes a statement to the effect that anyone could be Batman, I challenge it, and I'm the crazy one....
Whatever, guys. Somebody else makes a statement to the effect that anyone could be Batman, I challenge it, and I'm the crazy one....
^^^This is correct. I don't know how Batman gets away without getting shot repeatedly but I am sure that even in a comic book world only certain people could do that. I seem to remember the tragic fates of wannabes and it's been forty years since I've read comics.
It's pretty rare that a superhero operates without a costume or codename/different identity.
The skill sets used by most superheroes (powered or not) are evident in most of their adventures. Green Arrow will probably use his bow. Batman will use martial art and his toys. Just as Flash will do something speedbased and Green Lantern will use his ring.
There are stories and even storylines about these heroes getting shot. (or stabbed or beaten) That they don't on a regular basis is just a conceit of the format and not a "superpower". Of course it helps that many of their foes aren't packing guns ( or at least not regular ones). They also aren't usually involved in pitched gun battles.
. I'm pretty sure various villains have tried chemical and concussive attacks against Iron Man. As well as every other type of attack possible. Like I mentioned, the days of superheroes fighting criminals armed with conventional weapons is long past.
I think I might call Punisher a superhero. I read his Max series so I must have forgot but he took on Daredevil, Wolverine, Electra, and the Hulk. There aren't that many people who have the mindset to take on the Hulk.
You're the only one bringing up the real world though and that statement doesn't bear scrutiny. You yourself brought up how Robin followed the Batman route.
Does that mean "Thunderbolt" Ross was a superhero in pre-Red Hulk days?
Ross was a jerk, but he did have the mindset to take on the Hulk.
I basically threw my hands up with the second part of that post...the part that you didn't quote. I don't know what you want out of me at this point.
I would say he's as much of a supervillan as Nick Fury is a superhero. Ross has armies backing him up and knowhow to combat the Hulk. I guess superantagonist is closer but he fits the bill for being labeled super.
I would like it if you stopped giving opinions (what seems random to me) on something I said without quoting me on it.
You're pretty much saying "Oh that thing you said was silly/reality-impaired and I threw my hands up at the second part but I won't quote to it, just except my frustration of you." Your calling me names (on stuff I didn't say) and have the nerve to say I didn't quote something? What is your problem?
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