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Is Corbomite really that powerful?

c5maier

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I have been surprised to find so much love for "The Corbomite Maneuver" in the "Hurt/Heal"-game in recent weeks. As I didn't want to clog up that thread, I thought I start this one as I would really appreciate the supporters to come forward with some explanation for their fondness.
I had not seen this episode (just like most of the others) for more than ten years, just remembering it to be rather lame.
It just so happens that I recently found reasonably priced season 1 combos so now I start watching TOS with my children - in production order and, for the time being, only the harmless stories where no one dies.
You guessed it: The first ever Star Trek episode for them (other than TAS and ST IV - TVH) was CM, despite my memory of it.
I must admit there were some little things I enjoyed seeing, like the opening shot looking from above on the bridge with the empty command chair in the middle, Spock dramatically raising into the frame (had they not promised to NBC early on to keep Spock low-key?) or the crowded corridors. And, of course, the basic premise ("dont be afraid of alien life, better investigate it") is good, being the essence of Star Trek in a nutshell.
But the execution IMHO was actually worse than I had remembered.
Why did Kirk order the drill? He was rather reluctant to give the order to shoot but when it came, it was executed right away. Who was going to learn from that drill - Bailey by lording it over the phaser crews?
I thought it was quite plausible and well played when Bailey eventually cracked but did he have to make such an absolute fool of himself earlier on when he could not follow the most basic instructions?
My eldest (11) found it strange that they decide on the rescue mission after listening in on the distress signal with the claim that life-support is failing, but they see no reason for space suits, sensing the oxygen content to be actually higher than normal (well, maybe the First Federation likes its fires to burn a little brighter).
Scott then tells them to bend over - good advice as they materialize in an alcove. Once they have stepped out of it, they can stretch again as the ship seems to be a flying curtain shop with really high ceilings. What the free-standing girders are good for, only Balok knows.
And what about him? Why is he all alone? Is he the first, the last, the only of his kind? Has he formed a "Federation" all with himself? Why would he build a large ship, if he is all alone (and the Fesarius is not just an illusion either the way he speaks about it)? Why would he long for company but try to scare other space ships away with buoys (rather lucky for him that Kirk didn't take "no" for an answer)?
And what about that talk of Bailey coming back after some time as a better officer? From all we know, he was left to rot, the "First Federation" disapears as it came to never be heard of again ... Thinking of it, it is really a shame, Balok did not take this episode with him. The first season would have been better without it.
And now I brace myself against all sorts of comments, the good, the bad and the ugly.
 
Why did Kirk order the drill? He was rather reluctant to give the order to shoot but when it came, it was executed right away. Who was going to learn from that drill - Bailey by lording it over the phaser crews?
I thought it was quite plausible and well played when Bailey eventually cracked but did he have to make such an absolute fool of himself earlier on when he could not follow the most basic instructions?

Both of these sound like realistic portrayals of the military life - a trait slowly eroded away from Star Trek later on. Incessant drills are good for morale when there is no action but plenty of tension. And people will freak out, lose their cool and wet their pants more often than one would care to admit.

Many of the other comments I agree with, but I think the issue of Balok's motivations was handled reasonably well. Balok is constantly on top of the situation, playing games with our heroes: it only makes sense for him to place obstacles and then take delight when our heroes get past them. The contrast between the big and menacing ship and puppet, and the equally falsely small and weak ship and the midget reality of Balok himself, feels like a natural part of the masquerade. And it doesn't matter much whether the First Federation is a dying relic, a heretofore unknown galactic superpower, or even truly exists - Balok admits to the games as having been for his self-indulgence anyway.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Why did Kirk order the drill? He was rather reluctant to give the order to shoot but when it came, it was executed right away. Who was going to learn from that drill - Bailey by lording it over the phaser crews?

As Timo said, regular drills would've been a standard part of life on any military or pseudomilitary vessel. Early Trek tried hard to depict space travel with naturalism, to show the crew as ordinary people doing jobs that happened to be in space, rather than as larger-than-life cartoon heroes.

My eldest (11) found it strange that they decide on the rescue mission after listening in on the distress signal with the claim that life-support is failing, but they see no reason for space suits, sensing the oxygen content to be actually higher than normal (well, maybe the First Federation likes its fires to burn a little brighter).

A life-support failure wouldn't immediately cause the oxygen to vanish from the air. It would take hours at least for the CO2 to build up to toxic levels (which actually happens long before the oxygen's depleted and is the real cause of suffocation in such cases). There was plenty of time to repair the systems or evacuate the crew before breathing became a problem.

And what about him? Why is he all alone? Is he the first, the last, the only of his kind? Has he formed a "Federation" all with himself? Why would he build a large ship, if he is all alone (and the Fesarius is not just an illusion either the way he speaks about it)? Why would he long for company but try to scare other space ships away with buoys (rather lucky for him that Kirk didn't take "no" for an answer)?

Who says he's alone in the universe just because he's the only person on the ship? Maybe the rest of his people are busy doing other stuff while a few solo pilots patrol the frontier.

And what about that talk of Bailey coming back after some time as a better officer? From all we know, he was left to rot, the "First Federation" disapears as it came to never be heard of again ...

It's a big galaxy, and the Enterprise can't be involved in everything that happens. Presumably relations with the First Federation were subsequently handled by the Federation diplomatic corps and civilian government. We know that the FF did continue to have some relations with the galaxy at large, since Quark's Bar on DS9 served tranya.

Thinking of it, it is really a shame, Balok did not take this episode with him. The first season would have been better without it.

I could not agree less. This was the first episode I ever saw, and still a personal favorite. I love its ensemble flavor, the banter among the crew, the sense of workaday naturalism it achieved. It was as much "a day in the life on a starship" as a tale of adventure. This is the flavor I wish Star Trek had kept.
 
You want all the details filled in regarding Balok, Bailey and such. One thing I really like about The Corbomite Maneuver is its sense of mystery. Throughout most of the episode, we really don't know what's going on. Kirk and the Enterprise are reacting, rather than acting. Even at the end, as you point out, the plot is not fully resolved. We simply know the Enterprise is out of danger and there is a new race for us to meet. Well before the term was coined, it was a great first contact.

I also find this one of the best looking episodes, both in the regular and in the remastered versions. It's the crowded corridors full of color and dark lighting, a spinning cube of light and a spaceship of ping pong balls the size of a small moon. For reasons different than Christopher's, I totally buy in on the reality of this episode. It's one of its strengths.
 
It's one of my favorite "Star Trek" episodes and one of the ten or fifteen best of all time, IMAO.

I really don't care whether every trivial background detail is filled in, all the "i"s dotted and "t"s crossed - that's crummy, freshman-level storytelling.
 
And to answer your title, no, corbomite wasn't really that powerful. Tranya, on the other hand...
 
You want all the details filled in regarding Balok, Bailey and such. One thing I really like about The Corbomite Maneuver is its sense of mystery.

I agree. The ending helps bring home the feeling of being out on the edges of known space, encountering species and civilizations for the first time, and not having all the answers. Those answers come over time, not immediately, so we shouldn't know everything at the end of the episode.

The characterization is brilliant in this episode as well. We learn quite a bit about the type of man Kirk is. His bluff this episode is one of the most defining moments in Kirk's on-screen history, and establishes the traits that serve him so well in The Wrath of Khan. I love McCoy's introduction in this episode as well. Despite being the first episode with the character, the relationships with Kirk and Spock are there immediately, which is a testament to the writing and acting.

Top ten all time for Trek, no doubt about it.
 
I loved the episode.

And I thought the tension filled climax with Enterprise struggling to pull away from Baloks tractor beam was great.

Much better than a barrage of weapons fire would've been.

And note, Balok actually refers to the Fesarius as "this entire complex" rather than a ship at the end.

That to me indicates that the mile wide Fesarius was actually a kind of giant mobile, automated station or manufacturing facility rather than a starship.
 
While I agree with some of the critcisms (the 'Fesarius' interiors) - it's because of budget considerations and the show was VERY expensive for it's time. As for the rest - sorry - this is my favorites Star Trek episode (of any series); and one of the best written scripts Star Trek ever produced. Not every show nails it right out of the gate with their first filmed episode like the original Star Trek. In a 52 minute episode we get to see EVERYTHING Star Trek is about - played out for the audience in an entertaining way.
 
^^Actually I think TOS had a relatively low budget, compared to contemporaries like the Irwin Allen shows, but the production staff did a remarkable job with what they had.

As for the scout ship interiors, they couldn't have ceilings since sets with ceilings are time-consuming to build and difficult to light. The Enterprise bridge had at least a partial ceiling in the first two pilots, but I don't think you'll see any other ceilings in TOS except in the shuttlecraft (which was worth the extra trouble since it was built as a recurring set).
 
Well before the term was coined, it was a great first contact.

The term "first contact" has been in use since 1935 if not earlier:

http://www.jessesword.com/sf/view/455
Thank you for the information. Nice website. Saved.

And to answer your title, no, corbomite wasn't really that powerful.

Are you kidding? It saved the Enterprise without even existing. I'd call that powerful. Never underestimate the power of an idea.
As a matter of fact, I was kidding. Go back to the original post. It seems pretty obvious to me. But then, you cut out the punchline in your quote.
 
There are a lot of things to love about this episode. A lot of "firsts" for Trek that would play out as themes later on:

  • Kirk's uber-BS powers as being one of the most formidable forces in the known universe
  • A string of hot-headed, somewhat mentally unbalanced navigators that would come and go until a certain Russian mop-top showed up
Also I always loved that crazy dubbing of Balok's voice with little Clint Howard. He did a great job, considering his tender years, with his gestures and such. Really made his scenes work better than they probably should have.
 
A string of hot-headed, somewhat mentally unbalanced navigators that would come and go until a certain Russian mop-top showed up

"Until?" Who says the string of unbalanced hotheads didn't include Chekov? :lol:

Seriously, though, how many problematical navigators did we have? Just Bailey, Riley, and Stiles. Most of the first-season navigators were nondescript.
 
I'd add Mitchell to that list, even though he preceded Bailey and his instability was externally caused.
 
A string of hot-headed, somewhat mentally unbalanced navigators that would come and go until a certain Russian mop-top showed up

"Until?" Who says the string of unbalanced hotheads didn't include Chekov? :lol:

Seriously, though, how many problematical navigators did we have? Just Bailey, Riley, and Stiles. Most of the first-season navigators were nondescript.

I'll give you mentally unbalanced on Chekov, but hot-headed? Not sure I see that.

Now as to the first season, let's say you had a different navigator in every episode. That means that fully 1/8th or more of them would appear to be at the very least racist, sociopathic, or generally incompetent. I would think a top-flight organization like Starfleet would have a better vetting process for a key position like that.
 
Hmmmm...I'm sensing a potential novel here...or even a whole series of novels: "The League of Angry Navigators!" A secret society of gold-shirted, unheralded curmudgeons who work behind the scenes to prevent all sorts of galactic catastrophes, then complain about how they get no respect. Sort of like the SCE series. And Christopher is just the guy to write it!
 
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