Is Amy Unhealthily Obsessed With The Doctor?

[Sci]

Who exactly is Geoff, anyway?

The elderly lady's grandson and a friend of Amy's, apparently.

Just some dude who happened to be in the right place at the right time? And was the elderly lady the aunt that young Amelia refers to or just someone else in the village?

When Amy admits that her job as a kissogram involves snogging strangers, the Doctor reacts with distaste, saying, "You were a little girl five minutes ago!" Amy then retorts that the Doctor is worse than her aunt, implying that her aunt knows of Amy's job and disapproves of it.

Geoff's Grandmother, by contrast, had apparently no idea whatsoever that Amy was a kissogram, given her confusion over whether or not Amy was a nurse. From this, I would infer that Geoff's Grandmother is not Amy's aunt.

It would be interesting to see her using Rory (or whoever) for the benefit of the physical/need for security and stability

A fully-grown woman needs a man to provide her with security and stability?

You wanna re-phrase that? 'Cos the way you said that there, it sounds startlingly sexist.

 

[ParticleMan]

Who exactly is Geoff, anyway?

The elderly lady's grandson and a friend of Amy's, apparently.

Just some dude who happened to be in the right place at the right time? And was the elderly lady the aunt that young Amelia refers to or just someone else in the village?

When Amy admits that her job as a kissogram involves snogging strangers, the Doctor reacts with distaste, saying, "You were a little girl five minutes ago!" Amy then retorts that the Doctor is worse than her aunt, implying that her aunt knows of Amy's job and disapproves of it.

Geoff's Grandmother, by contrast, had apparently no idea whatsoever that Amy was a kissogram, given her confusion over whether or not Amy was a nurse. From this, I would infer that Geoff's Grandmother is not Amy's aunt.

It would be interesting to see her using Rory (or whoever) for the benefit of the physical/need for security and stability

A fully-grown woman needs a man to provide her with security and stability?

You wanna re-phrase that? 'Cos the way you said that there, it sounds startlingly sexist.

That wasn't meant to be a blanket statement about all women or anything, not by a long shot...but I could see that the character of Amy in the context of the program might want that, having had an apparently unstable upbringing...not even so much the company of a man, but a stable, grounded relationship as opposed to her fixation on the itinerant "Raggedy Doctor"...

 

[Sci]

It would be interesting to see her using Rory (or whoever) for the benefit of the physical/need for security and stability

A fully-grown woman needs a man to provide her with security and stability?

You wanna re-phrase that? 'Cos the way you said that there, it sounds startlingly sexist.

That wasn't meant to be a blanket statement about all women or anything, not by a long shot...but I could see that the character of Amy in the context of the program might want that, having had an apparently unstable upbringing...not even so much the company of a man, but a stable, grounded relationship as opposed to her fixation on the itinerant "Raggedy Doctor"...

Which is fair enough, but why did you mention "security?" And why suggest that Rory fulfills a "need" for stability in general rather than saying that he fills a desire for stability in a relationship? The two are very different concepts, with the former implying that stability is unattainable for a woman without a man and the latter simply implying that it's the type of relationship she chooses.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

"...Amy is probably the wildest companion that the Doctor has travelled with, but she isn’t promiscuous. She is really a two-man woman and that will become clear over the course of the episodes."

Italics mine.

They don't say who those two men are, though...

One of them is the Doctor. Otherwise, no story of any interest. And her interest in the Doctor is absolutely clear.

 

[ParticleMan]

A fully-grown woman needs a man to provide her with security and stability?

You wanna re-phrase that? 'Cos the way you said that there, it sounds startlingly sexist.

That wasn't meant to be a blanket statement about all women or anything, not by a long shot...but I could see that the character of Amy in the context of the program might want that, having had an apparently unstable upbringing...not even so much the company of a man, but a stable, grounded relationship as opposed to her fixation on the itinerant "Raggedy Doctor"...

Which is fair enough, but why did you mention "security?" And why suggest that Rory fulfills a "need" for stability in general rather than saying that he fills a desire for stability in a relationship? The two are very different concepts, with the former implying that stability is unattainable for a woman without a man and the latter simply implying that it's the type of relationship she chooses.

It was more of an indication that the more "dangerous" choice for Amy to make would be to go off with the "madman in the blue box" so to speak...not that she'd choose Rory because she needs a man to keep her "safe" or anything...poor choice of words on my part...

The point I was trying to get across is that if she's a "two man woman" as the quote from above states, then it would seem that in the context of the fairy tale qualities that Moffat is trying to create for the season that perhaps Rory would represent the "real world"...mundane but known. And the Doctor would represent the "fairy tale world"...fantastical and unknown...

 

[Checkmate]

She ran away with the Doctor in the middle of the night before her wedding after waking up in a room full of openly-displayed Doctor figures she made, after having had a dream about waiting for the Doctor.

It's pretty obvious who one of those two men are.

Yes, because obsession with faerie tale figures like Santa Claus or the Doctor equates to romantic interest. Her story is closer to the Labyrinth than anything. The Doctor represents escape and adventure. Not wanting to get married and having a life full of drudgery != omg let's get it on Doctor.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Interesting comments from Moffat. I still think we're over thinking things here to some degree but I suppose we'll see these questions unfold about Amy's mental state over the course of the series. Remember too that Rory stated that he and Amy have known each other since they were children too so they possibly have formed a close bond through that friendship that later developed into some kind of romantic interest. I will grant that Amy has a strong fixation with the Doctor. It will be even more interesting to see the dynamic during River Song's appearances given what was implied between those two characters in "Silence in the Library" and "Forest of the Dead".

 

[Sci]

She ran away with the Doctor in the middle of the night before her wedding after waking up in a room full of openly-displayed Doctor figures she made, after having had a dream about waiting for the Doctor.

It's pretty obvious who one of those two men are.

Yes, because obsession with faerie tale figures like Santa Claus or the Doctor equates to romantic interest.

It does when you've been making your boyfriends dress up as him!

Her story is closer to the Labyrinth than anything. The Doctor represents escape and adventure. Not wanting to get married and having a life full of drudgery != omg let's get it on Doctor.

First off, I'm always forced to wonder why people who don't like the idea of a Doctor Who romance reduce it to mere sex. If that's all you think there is to romance, I've got to wonder what's going on there.

Secondly, you're willfully disregarding direct evidence to the contrary. Amy had her boyfriends dress up as the Doctor for her. When the Doctor took his clothes off, she stared at him, blatantly, in front of her boyfriend, and did so with a smirk on her face. When the Doctor met her boyfriend, she refused to acknowledge him as such.

And she ran away before her wedding night! After asking him to lie to her face about being able to return her on time when she knew full well that he had a history of overshooting his arrival times. I mean, c'mon, man. That's not wanting to avoid a "life of drudgery." If it was just that, she'd have broken up with Rory. That's being genuinely interested in another man.

And if you don't believe me, just ask Steven Moffat, who argues that romantic tension is inherent to the premise:

When "Doctor Who" came back, it had to fit into modern television. The question is: would a young girl hanging out with this older, dangerously attractive, mad, charming, brilliant man, maybe now and then notice? She would. That's human nature.

Are we really supposed to be believe back in the day that Tegan never had a look at The Doctor, even when he was Peter Davison? That Sarah Jane Smith never thought about that charismatic, older Tom Baker as being really not bad? It would happen. You have to address it, and you can't ignore it..

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

She ran away with the Doctor in the middle of the night before her wedding after waking up in a room full of openly-displayed Doctor figures she made, after having had a dream about waiting for the Doctor.

It's pretty obvious who one of those two men are.

Yes, because obsession with faerie tale figures like Santa Claus or the Doctor equates to romantic interest.

Let's hit the nail squarely on the head (pardon the expression): watching in frank fascination as the guy strips down equates to sexual interest.

I've no doubt, though, that folks determined to stay in denial about it can find some tortured rationale for evading what's explicitly shown to be true. But seriously, have you watched anything by Moffat?

 

[David cgc]

and we've already seen that Amy knows a lot of men in her village. Rory and porn boy (likely elevated to a position of power courtesy of the Doctor) being likely candidates.

Rory and Geoff being the only known candidates.

And there's not actually any evidence she was involved with Geoff.

The impression I got was just that it was a really small town, and everyone knew everyone else.

 

[Cutter John]

I've no problem if a companion has romantic/sexual feelings for the Doctor. Its when he returns them that things feel eschew.

See, this is why I'd like to a see a kid, or a straight guy (or a lesbian? ) as a companion. So we wouldn't have to keep going over this.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I got the impression that everyone knows everyone in that town as well and as Moffat stated that Amy is a bit of a wild child type. I'm curious as to why everyone thinks that Geoff is a potential romantic interest for Amy or am I just leaning into everyone's thoughts too much? I can't remember when a first episode left us with so many questions! Probably not since "Rose" and the return of the series. I've also no problem with a companion having romantic feelings for the Doctor, it seems to be stable of the return since Rose with the exception of Donna who was a perfect companion for the Doctor as he finally had a best friend.

 

[Lindley]

It does when you've been making your boyfriends dress up as him!

I interpreted that as kids playing dress-up when they were little.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Same thing. You think eight year old girls don't have boyfriends?

 

[Checkmate]

Rory and Geoff being the only known candidates.

And there's not actually any evidence she was involved with Geoff.

Two years ago, no, there wasn't much of a hint. But two years is a long time, Geoff was "touched" by the Doctor and very likely catapulted up the totem pole as a result, was told by the Doctor to "get a girlfriend" (even if jokingly), and was quite attractive and physically fit to boot.

In other words, he's a sexy guy who's life was touched briefly by the Doctor and has liked changed forever because of it. Couple that with the fact that Amy didn't really seem all that proud of having Rory (a childhood friend; I know how often that blooms into full marriages) lauded as her boyfriend, I don't see any reason at all to dismiss Geoff.

And considering how both Geoff and his aunt knew the "raggedy Doctor" on sight kind of indicates that they had more than a passing familiarity with each other to boot, anyway.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

It's the Doctor, dude. Move on.

 

[Sci]

Rory and Geoff being the only known candidates.

And there's not actually any evidence she was involved with Geoff.

Two years ago, no, there wasn't much of a hint. But two years is a long time, Geoff was "touched" by the Doctor and very likely catapulted up the totem pole as a result, was told by the Doctor to "get a girlfriend" (even if jokingly), and was quite attractive and physically fit to boot.

In other words, he's a sexy guy who's life was touched briefly by the Doctor and has liked changed forever because of it. Couple that with the fact that Amy didn't really seem all that proud of having Rory (a childhood friend; I know how often that blooms into full marriages) lauded as her boyfriend, I don't see any reason at all to dismiss Geoff.

And considering how both Geoff and his aunt knew the "raggedy Doctor" on sight kind of indicates that they had more than a passing familiarity with each other to boot, anyway.

I'm not saying it's not possible, but there's no actual evidence to support it.

 

[Checkmate]

It's the Doctor, dude. Move on.

People have opinions contrary to your own, dude. Move on.

 

[matthunter]

Secondly, you're willfully disregarding direct evidence to the contrary. Amy had her boyfriends dress up as the Doctor for her.

Rory specifically says that was when they were kids. Which probably doesn't imply "boyfriend" at that point, unless they were childhood sweethearts (and adult Amy's inability to admit Rory is her boyfriend makes that unlikely).

Now her ogling the Doc when he got changed is not necessarily an indication that she actually wants him, just that as a young woman with a healthy outlook on sex she's not above eyeballing a bit of manflesh when it's right in front of her. I know plenty of women who will cheerfully eye up men even though the notion of anything happening hasn't entered their heads.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Yeah, whatever.

Amy's not real. They're telling a story. Everything is put into the story for a reason.