Is Amy bi?

[Gov Kodos]

But think of what a silent place the net would be without nerd-rage, aspersion, and ascribing motives. One might just have slog through endless threads of rational discussion and good natured banter... forever... what would we do?

 

[DimesDan]

Because I have a steaming hangover after England's shite performance in the Rugby yesterday afternoon, I feel I should claify a few things - I may still be drunk, not sure though!

So after watching the Comic Relief sketch from last night, it got me thinking, is she bi or was her flirting with herself just really narcissistic and nothing more.

Did any of you actually get passed the title of this thread (I am looking at you Captain Crow) as the bolded text from my original post yesterday does raise the question, was she just being narcissistic. I personally think it was the latter.

Does it? Well fuck-de-do. I've just told my GF what you said and what she said was "well somebodies over reacted and probably got issues."

Is that a self image then Crow? If we're posting photos in here, here's one of me and my GF:

As you can see, no hand in sight!!!!

Captain Crow, just what is your problem?

Simple.

I've seen the "Is Amy bi?" question several times since it was revealed that Amy flirts with herself in one of the minisodes. After which pervy comments usually follow. The way Dimesdan's original post was worded (which he admits was done in a matter to invoke responses) I figured this was most likely another one of those types of threads. So already being in a somewhat irritated mood I posted a jokey sarcastic comment.

Bully for you, I admitted that I did it in a fun way, a juvenile and some what none serious and silly way, as I did point out here:

I must admit I did actually ask if it actually mattered when I first wrote the original post, but I decided to not include it because of, well, because I thought it would be interesting to see some of the answers.

oh and here:

Does it? Well fuck-de-do. I've just told my GF what you said and what she said was "well somebodies over reacted and probably got issues."

It was a fun little question and also pretty irrelevant. I'm sure even the most fuck-ugly of people would take an interest in what they look like if they found themselves face-to-face with themselves. I certainly would be interested in myself as I don't rate my attractiveness very highly even though I've been told I look very good both in person and when I've had cause to be in front of a TV camera.

So yes, I may have phrased it a bit of a juvenile way, but "shrug." I decided to get in before the really serious thread on the matter was created.

I should have kept the "does it really matter" question in my original post, it would have meant you and others wouldn't have gotten their panties in a twist.

So now I'm a perv for thinking that it was hot that Amy was flirting with herself??

In my book, no, not at all.

 

[Thestral]

My problem is that it was used as a cheap gimmick in these minisodes to make some fan's "wibbly lever" not so wibbly and the sad stereotypical perv fans who pop up in these situations.

I doubt very highly that Moffat was doing something just for a cheap gimmick. Doing something to be funny though, sure.

 

[Sindatur]

Well, I've seen it now, and I gotta say, if that's all it takes to make fanbois pervy, keep pencils away from them, a set of drawings with stick people and red hair could be used to excite their imagination just as much.

I think it could matter to overall character what a character's orientation is. Say for example there is a Villian character that has a strong pheromonal hold over others that have a natural attaction to them. If it's a female, the Doctor and Rory could be locked under her spell. If Amy likes Women, she could be put under the same spell, if Amy doesn't like women, she could save the day, because she'll be thinking clearly (crude example, but, there's other examples that would be more convoluted to explain)

 

[Lonemagpie]

Narcissism. Anything else is virginal fanboys wishing.

 

[Sci]

Captain Crow, just what is your problem?

Simple.

I've seen the "Is Amy bi?" question several times since it was revealed that Amy flirts with herself in one of the minisodes. After which pervy comments usually follow. The way Dimesdan's original post was worded (which he admits was done in a matter to invoke responses) I figured this was most likely another one of those types of threads. So already being in a somewhat irritated mood I posted a jokey sarcastic comment.

Your comment was not jokey, it was just angry and rude.

Sci then throws a wobbly, appoints himself as some sort of warrior for LGBT equality and starts an argument about something I have no problem with.

The fact that I touched upon LGBT rights does not mean I was making an argument about them. Rather, my argument was simply that it is possible to be curious about Amy's orientation without being a perv; I framed that in terms of LGBT rights advocacy, that's all.

I never said nor implied that that is the only way.

Nor did I implily you did.
I said:
Note I said 'fully" not "only". You can understand a charater just fine without having to know about thier sex life.

Which does not change the fact that including the character's orientation increases our understanding of the character.

A glass that's 75% full may well be full, but it's still fuller if you add more. A character that's very well defined may be known very well, but that character will be better-understood if we add more info.

Depends on what you mean by "matter."

Who are you Bill Clinton? How hard is it to comprehend what I meant when I said "Who they sleep with shouldn't matter"?

Well, kind of hard, apparently, since actual LGBT folk do think their orientations matter. Which is why I outlined senses in which it does matter and senses in which it doesn't.

Meanwhile, I thought that that comment would come across as being reasonable and conversational to you, not as something to respond to in the angriest of terms.

Obviously, a person's sexual orientation shouldn't matter in terms of determining what sorts of legal and moral rights they have.

Which is what I'm saying! Sexual orientation shouldn't matter.

But we're not having a conversation about legal rights, we're having a conversation about increasing our understanding of a fictional character. In that regard, Amy's orientation does matter.

I'm sick of this stupid argument. Sci, If you want to continue your rant about LGBT equality

I touched on that issue once or twice; I did not rant about it. My actual argument was that it is possible to be curious about Amy's orientation without being a perv -- as, for instance, one might be curious about her orientation if one is an LGBT rights advocate and wishes to see LGBT characters, or if one simply wants stronger definition in one's fictional characters.

 

[Neroon]

And close. Fade to black. to blue. whatever. Two simple humorous little vignettes created for charity have spawned some interesting discussion. They've also generated far more than enough fighting over other issues that I highly doubt Moffatt ever intended.