Re: Intrepid class VS a galaxy class, which was more powerful and adva
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Voyager was actually launched with Photon torpedoes (type 6), though it was stated in one of the episodes that the Cardassian dreadnought which they found carried Quantum torpedoes and that they could be adapted to work with Voyager's launchers.
So, the ship is capable of carrying them.
We've seen the Enterprise fire ten torpedoes at once, out of a single tube, indicating that her tubes possess a larger diameter.
The Sierra Pattern.
I remember Janeway ordering the same firing pattern in 'Basics' (we never got to see it visually, but it was probably the same thing as the Enterprise D employed).
What we saw on TNG could have been 10 micro-torpedoes being fired from a single tube and not actual-sized ones.
It was never explained fully... and we have no concrete information which says that the torpedo launchers on the Enterprise-D were any larger than the ones on the Intrepid.
The D displayed this ability only twice in early TNG.
Later seasons completely disregarded this ability and showed the ship firing one torpedo at a time.
And the number of phaser strips has to do with covering firing arcs, and nothing to do with fire power. You can fire from a single "spot' on one strip with 100% of available power, or ten spots simultaneously with 10% power. If the Voyager possessed 120 strips, that would not give her 10 time the fire power of a Enterprise.
I agree that the amount of phaser strips is predominantly there for coverage, BUT, it was never mentioned officially (on-screen) just how the phaser strips worked.
To that end, the size of the arrays could have next to 0 meaning in terms of firepower and would only be there to allow for better coverage/firing angles, nothing else.
And apparently had the manufacturing ability to make more.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Voyager fired them one at a time.
It was stated in early Season 1 of Voyager by Janeway that they could not replace the torpedoes once they were gone.
However, it was NOT stated whether they had the ability to manufacture more if they had proper materials at their disposal.
It's not that hard to think that Voyager would have refilled their Warp core at critical junctures and traded with races that have antimatter in abundance, allowing the crew to make new torpedoes.
Or the crew could have found other ways to augment their antimatter reserves (omicron particles aren't the only source after all) and would be able to replicate torpedoes in parts, and simply separate enough anti-matter to fill the new torpedoes and replenish their supplies.
In Trek reality, the level of technology in the late 24th century (and even in the late 23rd century) was such that effectively allowed any SF ship to be completely self-sufficient if necessary.
Pit stops in solar systems would be required from time to time, but the ships wouldn't have to depend on trading with other races to get supplies when they can make their own.
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Hey, remember when the Enterprise's chief medical officer (while in command) did that for the first time, years before Voyager did?
While the Enterprise's shield survived an attack from a Borg
full size cube.
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But Voyager's shields were already by nature alone multi-phasic - fully integrated, whereas the Enterprise-D at the time had the program separately.
Size in Trek rarely matters when it comes to power output.
The tactical cube was stated by 7 of 9 to be heavily armed.
Plus, that tactical cube (if you hadn't seen 'Unimatrix Zero') was in fact quite large by itself (Voyager was tiny compared to it).
It could be inferred that the Tactical Cube was an even more dangerous adversary than your 'full sized cube'.
Verbal statements by the production staff, while interesting, are non-canon.
To that end, you freely ignore on-screen statements which say that Humans don't employ a money based economy.
Plus others ignore that replicators turn energy into matter (as was repeatedly stated), not matter into matter.
That's a very lovely way to ignore 'canon'.
And should you mention how I was doing the same when making the case against evidence for usage of money on TOS, TNG and Ds9, I was trying to explain those relatively infrequent scenes in a manner that keeps the notion of a moneyless economy society which apparently has to deal with alien cultures and individuals who still employ a money-based economy.
Hardly, the Enterprise greater size requires a larger warp field enclosure, and therefor greater power generation. Power that if feed into the weapons system (or other systems) would exceed Voyager generation capacity.
So the Galaxy is a larger ship than Voyager and needs a bigger warp field to accommodate itself. Lol.
Doesn't mean Voyager would have to expend less power to achieve faster velocities...
In fact, one could argue that if Voyager's Warp core can go on 3 years before it has to be refilled (and the Galaxy class 5 years), then it could stand to reason that it's because the class 9 Warp drive it employs simply demands so much power compared to the less capable engines of the Galaxy class.
If you also recall, the Enterprise-D's top warp speed changed over time. It went from a maximum sustainable 9.3 (which was PAST the 'red line' in Encounter at Farpoint) to 9.6.
We've seen small ships packing same or much larger firepower compared to capital ships.
The Defiant comes to mind - and that thing is incapable of going past specific Warp factor even when shunting enough power to the engines.
Owing to it small size and weight, Voyager is faster, and likely more maneuverable. Because of it's small warp field envelope, Voyager's warp core can produce less power and reach higher speeds. But that also mean less power for all those phaser strips.
It could also mean that it requires less power to generate a warp field and achieve faster Warp speeds compared to other ships and have extra power to go into the shields and weapons.
Double-edged sword.
Yet in spite of this "fact," the Enterprise can cruise for long periods of time at warp speed, while the Voyager for some reason is frequently seen in the middle of interstellar space traveling at impulse speeds (no pretty streaky lights).
Voyager's top cruising speed (as mentioned on-screen):
Warp 9.975.
It was seen most of the times at Warp actually, and other times at impulse (usually when something else was going on that required the ship to be out of Warp - exploration for example - which Janeway did on a regular basis - and later admitted that they could have been closer to home had they not spent a lot of the time exploring other things).
Oh and do correct me if I'm wrong, but during TNG, the Enterprise-D spend most of it's time skimming the edges of Federation space, always somehow being within an arms reach of Earth no less - instead of exploring the 'DEEP SPACE that lies beyond Federation territory') - plus it was at impulse most of the time.
So I kinda have to laugh at your comparison.
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The AIM 7 (sparrow) missile has a 88 pound warhead, a AIM 9 (sidewinder) missile has a 20.8 pound warhead.
Simply having a higher number, doesn't automatically indicate a more powerful weapon. The Voyager torpedoes might carry a different model number, because her torpedo tubes are smaller.
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I always found it laughable when people tried comparing contemporary technology with Trek's.
Even Picard laughed at Ralph's attempt in 'the neutral zone' when he tried comparing the Ent-D to an aircraft carrier in the late 20th century.
In the episode Dreadnought, Janeway mentioned that Voyager's type 6 photon torpedoes might just get through it's defenses because they were newer than the previous ones.
This can easily imply that they ARE more powerful versions of Type 4 torpedoes that came before.
If Voyager can carry them, likely other Starfleet ships can carry them as well. Various types of US Navy submarines carry the same model of torpedo.
Would Picard, Kirk or Sisko have fallen for the same trick?
Yes, quite old.
I agree with the premise that if Voyager can carry tricobalt devices, then other SF ships might be able to do the same, but, we've only seen them employed on Voyager for one thing (thus far), and they blew up an alien station that was by all intense and purposes technologically superior to anything the Feds had in just 2 shots.
Furthermore, it's possible Voyager had more of those, we've just never seen them in use because of their subspace disruptive capabilities (which is exactly why they wanted to use them to destroy a highly advanced alien station - circumstances were unique enough where usage of those weapons would be permitted - especially when maintaining the balance in the DQ was crucial).
the majority of Starfleet starship are "multi-mission.
Actually, 'multi-purpose' would be the correct term if I'm not mistaken.
But to drive down a point he/she was making, it was NEVER stated that Voyager was a 'frigate', a 'light cruiser' or whatnot.
We've seen LaForge divert power, and turn off unnecessary systems before.
So did the Voyager crew.
Voyager's Warp core could have been of such a design that requires LARGER amounts of power than what the Galaxy class could produce, especially because of it's high warp speed capabilities, and to be able to power defensive/offensive systems that are comparable to the Galaxy class.
The Defiant was completely stripped of creature comforts for example and was apparently power-wise able to surpass other capital ships and fight the Dominion effectively (probably because of the plethora of anti-Borg techs that were designed along with it - which allowed for it to deal with the Jem'Hadar fighter ships with greater efficiency - of course, we've seen other SF ships do similar things to the enemy ships once the fleet was brought up to speed).
Voyager by contrast to the Galaxy class has some creature comforts, and high level of automation and only 150 crew (even though 100 was mentioned by Chakotay as needed to run the ship), but nothing on the scale the Galaxy class has.
And even with all those systems offline, the Intrepid's warp core by design alone could produce MORE power (which is used at a faster rate - 3 years - whereas the Galaxy can last 5 years).
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