Intrepid Class Starship

[StarryEyed]

Granted, it was hard to swallow standing up to Cubes, Tactical Cubes and Spheres. But the scout ship was believable. Year of Hell made less sense. For a year she was pounded by an enemy who's torpedoes could walk right through her shields.

Yes the chronoton torpedoes should have had exactly the same effect as the transphasics: bang!

Incorrect.

No, I'm not incorrect. A torpedo in temporal flux should be able to do exactly what the transphasics did, just accomplishing it in a different way. Instead of using matter phasing, the temporal torpedo would be able to pass through deflectors and hull by simply adjusting where it is in time. The fact that it only went through thee shields in the episodes is bad writing. And if you remember, one actually did get into the interior of the ship and explode. It would only take a very small matter/anti-matter explosion from the inside to destroy a ship. Voyager should have been toast. Bad writing.

 

[Deks]

Fact remains the Chroniton torpedoes were shown as ONLY going through the shields and not the hull.
Ergo, your lumping those torps into the same category like Transphasic ones is incorrect (your personal opinion on the torpedoes only going through the shields being bad writing is your right, but it's not supported by canon).

Regular torpedoes also exploding inside a ship have not always destroyed it.
Depends on where the torpedo is lodged and where it explodes.

And in regards to that one Chroniton torpedo which was inside Voyager ... it PENETRATED the hull in a forced physical capacity and was lodged in a Jeffries tube.

And the fact it exploded inside the ship says only the torpedoes are weak on delivery and how that particular area of the ship did not sport critical areas that would result in the rest of the ship being destroyed.

Furthermore, the detonation mechanism of that torpedo was probably damaged when it penetrated the hull (the torpedo WAS exhibiting vissible damage which could have supplemented in it's detonation being VERY and I mean VERY weak than a regular Chroniton torpedo charge - which is not on the same level of even a Photon torpedo from what we saw).

 

[C.E. Evans]

There's a part of me that will always wonder what if they had went with an older design rather than a brand-new one. I myself probably would have went with the Voyager being an aging Miranda-class ship that was perhaps on its final mission before being decommissioned when it went missing in the badlands.

The writers would have made that old ship dang near invincible in the Delta Quadrant just like they did the Intrepid-class, IMO...

Which is why that would have been a HORRIBLE idea!

NOT REALLY!

It was bad enough seeing the Intrepid-class Voyager trading fire with Borg ships. A Miranda doing so would have pushed believability completely out the window.

Once again, not really. In fact, I think having an older ship would have forced a different kind of tactics in regard to the Borg and any other hostile force with superior combat capabilities--namely, guile or evasion rather than direct engagement. As with an Intrepid-class ship, Janeway may only have tangled with those she felt her ship could do so with. Could have resulted in a different kind of series overall with an older ship.

If anything, having a newer ship made things much easier for Janeway and her crew in the Delta Quadrant.

 

[Deks]

It doesn't mean an older ship would fare any worse than Voyager though or that it would require more creative tactics.

The writers would probably say the ship in question was updated thoroughly while retaining an older design (say an ambassador class) before being launched.
That kind of a ship could easily come to the level of any recently built SF ship in terms of defence, speed, offence and everything else.

So you basically end up with the same thing, only the visual look would change.

 

[Sovereign_One]

An uprated Ambassador? Hmm...

 

[F. King Daniel]

My somewhat critical opinion on the USS Voyager:

I hate the little atrophied nacelles. The way they pop up when the ship warps is just silly - what purpose does it serve? Just two big giant space hinges waiting to break down.

The shape itself is alright, if a little boxy. Like a baby Enterprise-E. I far preferred the earlier, smoother concept design with the larger nacelles. I also preferred the USS Equinox.

Voyagers little chicken feet were pathetic. Land with those and the ship would topple over forwards. Something better could/should have been devised, even if it meant just having Voyager hover a few feet above the ground.

I also dislike the little emoticon smiley that is the deflector and torpedo launchers. It makes the ship look silly from the front.

I thought the sets were alright (and had great fun exploring them in the Elite Force videogame!), but I thought Engineering was empty and bland. There was lots of wasted space.

 

[C.E. Evans]

It doesn't mean an older ship would fare any worse than Voyager though or that it would require more creative tactics.

The writers would probably say the ship in question was updated thoroughly while retaining an older design (say an ambassador class) before being launched.
That kind of a ship could easily come to the level of any recently built SF ship in terms of defence, speed, offence and everything else.

Or the writers could make it a point that it's an older ship from a surpassed design, and whose systems may no longer be state-of-the-art, but can still get the job done (ala the Millennium Falcon or the nuBattlestar Galactica).

So you basically end up with the same thing, only the visual look would change.

Yup. But generally, shows since TOS have featured "hero ships" that are either brand-new or even downright experimental. Only the original Enterprise was revealed to have been in service for a good number of years...

 

[nx1701g]

The way they pop up when the ship warps is just silly - what purpose does it serve? Just two big giant space hinges waiting to break down.

IN the fake science of the show it was meant to give them a greater control over the warp field to prevent damage to space at high warp speeds. The Enterprise-E was originally designed to incorporate that ability.

 

[jpch]

Intrepid was really a good looking ship and its spec back it up she was quit impressive and powerful.