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Interview: ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Production Designer Tamara Deverell

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https://trekmovie.com/2018/03/29/in...ara-deverell-on-season-2-changes-and-tos-fit/

Interview with the production designer. Honestly her statements are absolutely baffling to me on the TOS aesthetic and that fans just want Star Trek to be visually dark, but at least she's the first one to admit they're not going to bother tying into TOS's aesthetic at all and somehow it's "Impossible" to update the aesthetics of TOS. (mid 20th century industrial design updates are impossible folks, looks like Ikea is out of business :lol:)
 
Amazing that's what you took away from that. She said it's impossible to use the same sets 50 years later........I do not believe she used the word aesthetic anywhere nor did she say they wouldn't bother to try to update. I'll wait and see what they come up with.
 
Why am I sad about the design language of Discovery? :/ It is intriguing how much the comments below mention Rogue One as an example of period style, but I also am interested why no one could envision Mad Men-level design, make up and style as a model for showing that contemporary audiences will accept historic modes of fashion and design. Why couldn't discovery be a period piece, except with the forefront of 1960s design drawing on the most innovative aspects of the decade's visual language?
 
Why am I sad about the design language of Discovery? :/ It is intriguing how much the comments below mention Rogue One as an example of period style, but I also am interested why no one could envision Mad Men-level design, make up and style as a model for showing that contemporary audiences will accept historic modes of fashion and design. Why couldn't discovery be a period piece, except with the forefront of 1960s design drawing on the most innovative aspects of the decade's visual language?

Star Wars sets were always better designed. The Lucas used universe was better conceived and the Imperial designs are crisp and classic. As for Mad Men, Discovey is not a historical bio-pic or a period documentary.
 
https://trekmovie.com/2018/03/29/in...ara-deverell-on-season-2-changes-and-tos-fit/

Interview with the production designer. Honestly her statements are absolutely baffling to me on the TOS aesthetic and that fans just want Star Trek to be visually dark, but at least she's the first one to admit they're not going to bother tying into TOS's aesthetic at all and somehow it's "Impossible" to update the aesthetics of TOS. (mid 20th century industrial design updates are impossible folks, looks like Ikea is out of business :lol:)
You're pulling some of these things out of thin air.
 
Amazing that's what you took away from that. She said it's impossible to use the same sets 50 years later........I do not believe she used the word aesthetic anywhere nor did she say they wouldn't bother to try to update. I'll wait and see what they come up with.
Yes dude, in an interview talking about the design of Star Trek Discovery, they're not talking about aesthetics. "They don't even use the word aesthetic". How about you get a dictionary and look up the word context. Even if I'm wrong, it's once again a massive dodging of the staff of Discovery to fan concerns about visual continuity of the Era between Discovery and TOS.

The fact is, nobody expected Discovery to look like cardboard and plywood, when people say it should look like TOS, they mean that in the visual design language of TOS, the line-work, the shapes, the colour palette, by going "LOL NO CARDBOARD DUDE 2018" they're dodging the point and they know it.

>It’s a darker show in general terms compared to all the other Star Trek shows. Part of that is the technology and the way we light the sets and use LED lighting which makes it darker. And also it’s what people expect now. They expect darker parts. It’s not all dark, though.

This is also just absolute bullshit. Nobody wants to watch a show they can't see and one of the main complaints about Discovery has been the lighting. The Star Trek Kelvin films were all brightly lit and they worked perfectly well.
 
The 10-minute Pahvo pitch
That was funny. That was actually the network said “We need to go to a planet and we need to go now. We want to get off the ship, so you need to go somewhere.” And so the writers called us and said “We need to go to this planet and they gave us some parameters and said pitch us something—in 10 minutes.” This is a true story.
https://trekmovie.com/2018/03/29/in...ara-deverell-on-season-2-changes-and-tos-fit/

Holy fuckballs!
Are you seriously telling me, the ONLY planet you visited in an episode of a show that has "explore strange new worlds" in it's premise was a network mandated rush job?

What fucking morons did they hire there? "Make a science fiction show." "In a franchise that had 'exploration' at it's core theme!" "But never actually show anything else than starship corridors." No wonder the Pahvo-story went nowhere - they absolutely had no interest to do it in the first place.

Q: Will we see an actual engine room in season 2?
A: We might. We’ve expanded parts of the ship. We’ve added a corridor that we didn’t have so now we have like a loop corridor. We went a little more mechanical with that corridor which I’m pretty excited about.

Yeah, right. I'm so fucking enthusiased to once again see their one starship corridor again and again and again, and nothing else of the ship, let alone alien worlds...

It’s impossible. So, when I started out I was like “Wow, this isn’t TOS.” You can never go back to TOS. Those were charming, lovely sets made out of cardboard and sticky tape. You can tell if you watched them what they did. Like when they went to the Mirror Universe, they literally took a Terran logo – which we did use as a basis of ours – and slapped it on a couple walls and called it done, called it Mirror.

So your complaining that the original did minimal re-dressings of their main sets to stand in for other places? Tell me, HOW many times have you used the same dark grey starship corridor set to stand in for every human/terran starship on your show?

Also, the original Mirror universe Terran logo is iconic. I already forgot how yours even looked like.

A: Yes, we are pre-dating TOS, but no we are not going to offer you TOS again fifty years later.

Q: At a panel last year it was mentioned that the colors on the show may evolve to be more like TOS, instead of the more darker tones. So, will we see that evolution in Season 2?

A: Boy, you guys are really digging around! I guess it depends what we build! But we really did go very dark when we went to the Mirror Universe. I left some of that.

Ah! So the show was deliberately set in the TOS timeframe - only to NOT evoke the design language of TOS in ANY fucking way. And don't tell me you can't "modernize" a look. That's your fucking JOB! Has anyone of them actually seen, like, ANY of the TOS- or the JJ- Abrams Trek movies? Shit, everyone said the vibrant colors of ST09 were one of the highlights of the movie. And nobody's complaining MARVEL movies are "too colorful" or praising DC's "darker" tone.

It’s a darker show in general terms compared to all the other Star Trek shows. Part of that is the technology and the way we light the sets and use LED lighting which makes it darker. And also it’s what people expect now. They expect darker parts.

What the fuck are you talking about? You're designing a fucking starship. Not a Darkroom. It should look functional. Like a piece of technology. Not pitch black. The ENT-set was pretty "dark" (IMO way too colorless) - but it looked like an actual real thing.

Good god. Get some professionals on this show. Fast.
 
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"Well I started around episode 6"

Translation: turnover.

I don't think she defined the look of Discovery. She was brought in to sort of polish a turd. She has to somewhat rationalize the decisions made because the show is stuck with it.
 
Thats actually good news CBS oversaw the show enough to know it needed more away-team episodes. they'll get better at things. CBS did its job on that one.
 
"Well I started around episode 6"

Translation: turnover.

I don't think she defined the look of Discovery. She was brought in to sort of polish a turd. She has to somewhat rationalize the decisions made because the show is stuck with it.

That's... actually the best explanation so far.

I really don't like how she simply says "it can't be done" when it comes to recreating a specific style - and I don't mean just Trek. Like, if someone brought "Lone Ranger" back to Netflix or something, and insisted it's actually a sequel to the original show (just with new actors) and not a reboot - I 'd demand of the art department they actually re-create the general aesthetics of the original show - just with modern production values.

God, the more I hear, the more I'm interested in the nightmare that must have happened behind the scenes during production.
 
That's... actually the best explanation so far.

I really don't like how she simply says "it can't be done" when it comes to recreating a specific style - and I don't mean just Trek. Like, if someone brought "Lone Ranger" bacck to Netflix or something, and insisted it's actually a sequel to the original show (just with new actors) and not a reboot - I 'd demand of the art department they actually create the aesthetics of the original show - just with modern production values.

God, the more I hear, the more I'm interested in the nightmare that must have happened behind the scenes during production.
someone has to write the tell-all book. i mean it. ill buy it.
 
The Star Trek Kelvin films were all brightly lit and they worked perfectly well.
If anything they were too bright in order to service Abrams's obsession with lens flares. Justin Lin had no such obsession, and as a result the Enterprise sets were noticeably darker in Beyond than they were in the other two movies.
 
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