Me, too.
Interesting article.
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Me, too.
Which means we both are apparently in the minority.
For what it's worth, I picked up on what you did there.
Which means we both are apparently in the minority.
Good. Who wants to be "normal", or even worse, "average"?
What?
But I love being serviced.
That's giving Bermaga (I've gotten so used to smushing the two names together like a Hollywood celebrity couple that even ten years later I can't break the habit!
)far too much credit. The two of them thought TOS was an albatross hung 'round their creative necks, which was a big reason why only later-Trek references such Ferengi and Borg made its way through to film.No, the fanservice extravaganza that was season four is entirely on Coto. I watched that season first-run, and it felt like the show had hit its stride. Then I watched the show again in '09. Season four holds up only slightly better than season two, and it's exactly for the reason you mentioned. And to Coto's credit, he came in to a equivalent of having to restore a $10 million mansion with a $40k mobile house foundation because there was fuck all to build on from the first few seasons besides the Trip/T'Pol stuff. But holy hell, it did NOT need to crib TOS for every one of its story arcs. Klingon forehead ridges? Really? Orion slave girls? Yeah, because gratuity is exactly what the show needed off the heels of "I'm doing the breast I can!"
Yeah, season four as a whole didn't have too many facepalm-worthy moments like s2, but as a whole, it just doesn't hold up at all for me.
What about Shran?
An accidental fluke that I'm sure either Berman or Braga thought of themselves. But I'll give them credit that the both Shran and the Andorians never became too goose-step stereotyped as many of Trek's alien species became (namely DS9 era Klingons).
You probably missed a few because they weren't big names.
The Axanar from "Fight or Flight" were mention in two TOS episodes.
The Vega Colony from TOS is mentioned in " Fortunate Son Son"
Coridan from TOS episode "Journey to Babel" is in "Shadows of P'Jem" and "Demons"
The Deneva Colony from TOS is mention in "Bound"
The Tellarites from TOS appear or are mentioned in several Enterprise episodes.
Those are just off the top of my head.
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See, I don't have problems with those--that is subtle enough for TOS fans to get but not a hard bludgeon over the head while a nuke detonates outside your backyard like what was given in season four (although they need not have placed one in an episode revolving around a half-naked T'Pol in heat, for the obvious reason that no one would give a shit because tits
).
As I said earlier, the season as a whole was more consistent--the finale aside, the least popular episode I can think of off the top of my head was the one about the transporter and Archer's family friend attempting to use Enterprise to get his son out of a buffered pattern--an episode that wouldn't been right up there with "Congenitor" had it aired two seasons earlier. But neither was there a truly break-out episode in the bunch, either. Yay T'Pol's Space AIDS is cured and irony ensured as Archer, the hater of all things Vulcan, carried Surak's katra inside him, but the rest of the season? Eh. TPTB could've spent one of those two stand alone episodes filling in on what happened to the Xindi or the crew that Archer left stranded.
See, I don't have problems with those--that is subtle enough for TOS fans to get but not a hard bludgeon over the head while a nuke detonates outside your backyard like what was given in season four (although they need not have placed one in an episode revolving around a half-naked T'Pol in heat, for the obvious reason that no one would give a shit because tits
).As I said earlier, the season as a whole was more consistent--the finale aside, the least popular episode I can think of off the top of my head was the one about the transporter and Archer's family friend attempting to use Enterprise to get his son out of a buffered pattern--an episode that wouldn't been right up there with "Congenitor" had it aired two seasons earlier. But neither was there a truly break-out episode in the bunch, either. Yay T'Pol's Space AIDS is cured and irony ensured as Archer, the hater of all things Vulcan, carried Surak's katra inside him, but the rest of the season? Eh. TPTB could've spent one of those two stand alone episodes filling in on what happened to the Xindi or the crew that Archer left stranded.
Perhaps I misunderstood your comment. I thought you were saying Berman and Braga were reluctant to use TOS references because it was an "an albatross hung 'round their creative necks". Which wasn't true in Enterprise which was peppered with TOS references. In the fourth season they became more overt, but that was under Manny Coto's watch.^
See, I don't have problems with those--that is subtle enough for TOS fans to get but not a hard bludgeon over the head while a nuke detonates outside your backyard like what was given in season four (although they need not have placed one in an episode revolving around a half-naked T'Pol in heat, for the obvious reason that no one would give a shit because tits
As I said earlier, the season as a whole was more consistent--the finale aside, the least popular episode I can think of off the top of my head was the one about the transporter and Archer's family friend attempting to use Enterprise to get his son out of a buffered pattern--an episode that wouldn't been right up there with "Congenitor" had it aired two seasons earlier. But neither was there a truly break-out episode in the bunch, either. Yay T'Pol's Space AIDS is cured and irony ensured as Archer, the hater of all things Vulcan, carried Surak's katra inside him, but the rest of the season? Eh. TPTB could've spent one of those two stand alone episodes filling in on what happened to the Xindi or the crew that Archer left stranded.
IIRC, it was Gene Roddenberry who started the "no TOS" rule as he wanted TNG to stand on it's own. Braga was only a producer for 25 episodes of TNG.
I'd read comments about the both of them not being overly fond of TOS. Perhaps I was mistaken, and maybe they were referring to Trek's history in general.
What the heck is wrong with them.
Sometimes it did feel like the "original source material" was TNG.
Gene was the biggest booster of distancing TNG from TOS. With Enterprise Berman actually wanted to get closer to TOS in feel and tone.
That may have been the intent, but Enterprise felt much more like a prequel to TNG than TOS in those early seasons.
Well I think it was hard for Berman to get out of the TNG box. Voyager also played like TNG. Though any prequel to TOS is also a prequel to TNG. Elements from both shows can be used.
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