Insurrection is a good film

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by ConRefit79, Jan 1, 2020.

  1. Kor

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    Yes, a planet doesn't automatically belong to the Federation just because it happens to fall within Federation space. The Federation is a coalition of member planets, not a geographical zone.

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  2. USS Firefly

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    Buy maybe in two million years.
    I think It would be awesome to see the Enterprise visit DS9 and do something with the Dominion war.
     
  3. Vger23

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    Too fanwanky for a major motion picture. No general audience appeal.
     
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  4. Lord Garth

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    It would be hard to have a Dominion War film starring the TNG cast. First because the Dominion wasn't TNG's enemy and second, they couldn't win the war, so it would be Just Another Battle in a war that TNG viewers who didn't watch DS9 wouldn't see the beginning or end of. If you have two back-to-back war films, TNG fans would've complained "TNG wasn't about war!" and they'd be right. They didn't need to make it about a war, but the story didn't have a large enough scope.

    The story should've been -- the story should always be -- high stakes, major turning points in the character's lives, and a sense of real jeopardy. GEN, FC, and NEM had all of those. INS had none of them.
     
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  5. Khan 2.0

    Khan 2.0 Commodore Commodore

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    maybe INS couldve been a mirror verse movie? (could've led on direct from FC - they go through Geordis timetravel wormhole into mirror land - cue Ent E v Ent D, Picard v Picard etc - Mirror Mirror meets Yesterdays Enterprise)
     
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    THAT would have been AWESOME... and much better than what we got. I've always wanted to see Mirror Jean-Luc on screen, and the BIG screen would have been even better.
     
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  7. Vger23

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    Yes.

    It's like I've said many times. They purposefully STROVE to make a meaningless movie. It was a philosophy of "we've done a bunch of heavy lifting over the last two films...we should lighten up a bit! It worked for Star Trek IV, right??"

    But, the difference is that TVH was a part of a bigger whole, and continued the "Genesis Trilogy." It also had very high stakes and solidified major developments in the ongoing story/characters:

    1. Spock's reintegration into normal life
    2. Kirk's demotion to Captain
    3. Having a new Enterprise to take them on adventures.

    Insurrection had Picard dancing, Worf getting a zit, and Troi's boobs firming up. That "lighten things up" approach wasn't a formula that was going to work again under the circumstances that existed in 1998.
     
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  8. -Brett-

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    It's funny the way this movie simply cannot come up here without Star Trek fans arguing, through metaphor, that the US displacement and genocide of the Native Americans was a good thing.

    Star Trek fans are racist. Who knew?
     
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  9. Tenacity

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    How many people would it help?
    Never placed any weight into the "the Baku got there first" position.
    No parallels, the Baku were refugees, numbered in the hundreds, and had been on the planet just a few centuries Plus there no on-screen indication that they claimed the planet.
     
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  10. Vger23

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    Wow...people who post stupid crap on the internet blow hyperbole and wild leaps of illogic out their rear-ends to illicit drama and attention.

    Who knew?
     
  11. ConRefit79

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    I was just saying by itself, I think Insurrection is a better film than I initially gave it credit for when it premiered. But then again, I still like The Final Frontier. So perhaps I have weird taste in films.

    I do like how this is not a revenge on the Federation, Crew or a specific show character film. Our heroes just got caught up in something bad. And their organization appears to have lost its morals. But our heroes fight for their principles.
     
  12. Lord Garth

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    Someone said something and is off his rocker, but he's best ignored. So anyway...

    Also the fact that Earth itself was put in danger. So Kirk now saved Earth twice. And the Klingon Ambassador's definitive declaration that "There shall be no peace as long as Kirk lives!" Sarek even gets some development. He finally realizes he was wrong about being so against Spock joining Starfleet. TVH, despite being light-hearted, is a pivotal entry into the series.

    I like to think Micheal Piller's original concept for Insurrection being based on Joseph Conrad's 1899 book Heart of Darkness could've become something that wasn't so disposable. It's just too bad whatever he originally wanted to do got lost in the process.
     
  13. -Brett-

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    So defensive. It's okay, little Adolph. The scary savages are mostly gone and can't hurt you. Now go enjoy your cross burning.
     
  14. NCC-73515

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    Who's that?
     
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  15. Lord Garth

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    You know... I don't think I've been fair. Insurrection isn't entirely inconsequential. It's the film where Riker and Troi finally got back together. It's important, maybe not to the film, but it's important to them. So there you go.

    Of other note: here's the synopsis for Heart of Darkness. Interesting stuff.
    It would be interesting to put everything into TNG terms to see what it would look like if Insurrection followed this story more closely.
     
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  16. Vger23

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    Ok bro. For some reason, you chose to accuse Trek fans of being racist and supporters of genocide. I called you on making unreasonable and completely inappropriate leaps, and this is how you respond?


    I know everything I need to know now.
     
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  17. Lord Garth

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  18. BillJ

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    Just no.

    Pretty white people facing eminent domain was a terrible basis for a movie.
     
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  19. BillJ

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    The idea of borders and neutral zones would argue otherwise.
     
  20. Vger23

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    I think what he means though, is that there is a difference between "Federation Space" and "Federation Planets." A planet can be in Federation space, but the Federation has absolutely no claim or jurisdiction over them.