In zombie films, how come nobody has ever...

[Scout101]

The reason for it saying "for some reason", is because that is one thing that does vary from movie/book to movie/book. Sometimes, it bio-warfare that infects them, sometimes it's moon rocks, sometimes, it's just unexplained and characters believe it's Revelations with the dead walking the Earth. The rest of the Zombie are fairly consistent in modern Zombie stories (Must damage the brain to kill, bites or scratches infect you, etc.). About the only other important rule that varies is wether you turn into a Zombie upon natural death, versus being infected, and typically a natural death will also give you Zombie-itis in modern Zombie movies

I get that, it's just that most of these stories try and keep to some sort of 'reality' rather than imagining their own details. Like zombies with toxic blood, for example. Where'd the zombies get that, where'd they get the new parts that can HANDLE toxic blood?

Silly to try and use that to refute more generic points, as it's obviously specific to one case, and doesn't fit with MOST examples of the generic zombie.

Sure, they're all slightly different, but if you want to discuss them in general, best to start from a basis in reality (ie the human body it starts from) and not try and start with a magical space zombie. His toxic blood defense is just as valid as refuting the point by saying that zombies can fly

 

[Sindatur]

The reason for it saying "for some reason", is because that is one thing that does vary from movie/book to movie/book. Sometimes, it bio-warfare that infects them, sometimes it's moon rocks, sometimes, it's just unexplained and characters believe it's Revelations with the dead walking the Earth. The rest of the Zombie are fairly consistent in modern Zombie stories (Must damage the brain to kill, bites or scratches infect you, etc.). About the only other important rule that varies is wether you turn into a Zombie upon natural death, versus being infected, and typically a natural death will also give you Zombie-itis in modern Zombie movies

I get that, it's just that most of these stories try and keep to some sort of 'reality' rather than imagining their own details. Like zombies with toxic blood, for example. Where'd the zombies get that, where'd they get the new parts that can HANDLE toxic blood?

Silly to try and use that to refute more generic points, as it's obviously specific to one case, and doesn't fit with MOST examples of the generic zombie.

Sure, they're all slightly different, but if you want to discuss them in general, best to start from a basis in reality (ie the human body it starts from) and not try and start with a magical space zombie. His toxic blood defense is just as valid as refuting the point by saying that zombies can fly

Maybe I'm lost in this conversation somewhere, and I've never read WWZ or the ZSG, but, my understanding is that the ZSG is akin to the Guy in Scream who knows all the Horror movie Rules (The one who loses her virginity always gets killed, Big Titted blonde runs up the stairs when she should be running down the stairs, etc). So, the ZSG is speaking of the Zombie genre as a whole, I believe, not specifically to WWZ Zombies. Therefore, the blood is always toxic, but, it became that way through a different route depending upon which "Patient Zero" origin trope they use.

I've seen an awful lot of Zombie movies, and never once seen them fly (Other than when they go off a building and plummet to the ground)

 

[the G-man]

I have to say that, while I'm no expert on zombie movies (basically, I've seen a handful of the Romero films, the Raimi movies, TWD and various 80s B movies), I've never seen one where zombies are "toxic." Yes, I've seen them bite people and infect them (not unlike rabies) but never seen one where their toxicity is such that insects and other organisms that eat dead rabid animals would be affected. Is there a movie like that?

 

[Mistral]

Here's a better idea:

Flamethrower.

This is in my head every time I watch The Walking Dead.

 

[Tiberius]

It dismissed the first 3 (valid) points by saying that Zombies are toxic...for some reason. Essentially just saying they're magic. Where's that come from?

Did YOU read it?

Yes I did, and I recall quite clearly the part where it says that flesh infected with the Solanum virus is made toxic by that virus.

The link you're trying to debunk treats Zombies as infected humans, with the same essential weaknesses, and moreso in some cases on account of being reanimated dead flesh. Yes, very strong, and a wound that kills a human only slows a Zombie down, but still starts with a human.

Yes.

Whereas your link starts with making up new facts based on nothing, and then using them to debunk other things. Not a point in its favor.

Given that zombies aren't real, ANYTHING about zombies suffers from this!

As for your last points: why wouldn't predators have a field day? Zombies can't (usually) run, can't use weapons, aren't great tactical minds. Mostly just stumbling around. Why wouldn't large animals have unlimited free meals, once they realize the humans aren't shooting anymore, aren't ambushing or laying traps? Might not be 100% kill rate, but think the wolves/dogs/lions/etc have a field day there with free (rancid) meat.

Like I said, if the flesh of a zombie is infected with something, then eating that flesh is likely to kill whatever ate it.

Assuming no other zombie magic, and that zombies are just reanimated corpses that are strong and not reactive to pain/major damage, seems like the points in that link work a lot better than what you're quoting in ZSG...

Really? You think it's a good idea to wear heavy hot armor and use a method of killing zombies that is hard to do? Or do you find it easy to chop through a Human neck in one blow?

 

[Sindatur]

I have to say that, while I'm no expert on zombie movies (basically, I've seen a handful of the Romero films, the Raimi movies, TWD and various 80s B movies), I've never seen one where zombies are "toxic." Yes, I've seen them bite people and infect them (not unlike rabies) but never seen one where their toxicity is such that insects and other organisms that eat dead rabid animals would be affected. Is there a movie like that?

OK, maybe I'm out of my depth, I assumed Toxic blood meant blood would cause death (IE: Zombism?)

Many of us did watch Daryl on The Waling Dead eat a squirrel or Chipmunk and thought for a second or two he was eating an arm, and we worried....

 

[Klaus]

I think we need to petition for a Zombie Tech subforum...

 

[the G-man]

I have to say that, while I'm no expert on zombie movies (basically, I've seen a handful of the Romero films, the Raimi movies, TWD and various 80s B movies), I've never seen one where zombies are "toxic." Yes, I've seen them bite people and infect them (not unlike rabies) but never seen one where their toxicity is such that insects and other organisms that eat dead rabid animals would be affected. Is there a movie like that?

OK, maybe I'm out of my depth, I assumed Toxic blood meant blood would cause death (IE: Zombism?)...

To humans, yeah. But I'm unfamiliar with any zombie film or TV show that says the virus/etc is toxic to every other life form.

In fact, the ZSG theory that zombie blood is too toxic to allow parasites, etc., to eat zombie flesh is belied by the very fact that every zombie film shows zombies decaying.

 

[Lonemagpie]

Actually, something else that no zombie films use - or indeed post-apocalyptic fiction: Bicycles.

Cycling is far quicker than a zombie shambling, and less tiring than running away... And as for movies where everybody fights over the last can of fuel...

 

[the G-man]

1st ep of TWD had Rick riding a bicycle.

 

[Admiral James Kirk]

Actually, something else that no zombie films use - or indeed post-apocalyptic fiction: Bicycles.

Bikes have been used in post-apocalyptic fiction before. Nick Andros and Tom Cullen rode bikes in The Stand.

 

[Scout101]

Bikes are also very popular in the S.M. Stirling 'Emberverse' series (Starting with Dies the Fire).