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In what ways is the Federation Fascist?

That's right. They don't.

The specific phrase "governs space travel" is quite loaded. It implies that the Federation has absolute control, that it can tell travelers what to do and where to go without regard for individual rights. That is clearly not the case.

Talos IV says hi!
 
Talos IV says hi!

Lots of countries have the death penalty for something. :shrug:

And while I normally am against the death penalty...in this case, I think it's called for. Or perhaps you'd care to admit that it might be just a little bit dangerous for the population of the Federation to gain access to the Talosians' mental abilities, and thus DESTROY itself?
 
Lots of countries have the death penalty for something. :shrug:

And while I normally am against the death penalty...in this case, I think it's called for. Or perhaps you'd care to admit that it might be just a little bit dangerous for the population of the Federation to gain access to the Talosians' mental abilities, and thus DESTROY itself?

That isn’t the point, and you know it. The Federation handed down an order that told people where they couldn’t go and without regard for individual rights.

Much like they banned positronic in AI in the late-24th century, trampling on individual rights and well being, especially in the case of Thad Riker.

Or do we go with forced blood tests of Federation citizens that have ties to either Federation or Starfleet personnel in DS9?
 
Now I know this is controversial. Scotty tells an alien in trying to get them to join Starfleet that the Federation is strong because it is like a bundle of sticks. Fascist derives from the Latin "Fasces" meaning ' bundle of sticks" This was the metaphor Hitler used for the Third Reich as well. Is the Federation becoming the Fourth Reich?
So because one guy uses a metaphor for the benefits of working together, now the whole Federation is fascist?

Just because fascism derived its name from an ancient Etruscan/Roman symbol of a bundle of rods representing the power of the magistrate doesn't mean the principle behind it isn't true, that one stick can be easily broken while a bundle of them together is strong. Does teamwork and forming mutual alliances to help each other automatically mean fascism?
In Voyager we see the Federation with the ability to read memory engrams of the brain in detail and erase or change them. They also show the willingness to use this technology.
Except they don't. We've seen past this time and there's no rampant memory wipes or brainwashing going on (well, besides Rutherford in Lower Decks, but we don't know the full story behind that yet, or who is responsible, and it's about his cybernetic tech rather than the thing from Voyager).
Fascism involves centralized government control of media, transportation, commerce and education to name just a few things. All travel in space is governed by the Federation. There is the FNN Federation News Network and FSN Federation Space News and they own all they subspace relays giving them the ability to read and filter all content.
Well, the first thing to bear in mind is that we are seeing the Federation from the perspective of Starfleet crews in every show and film, so obviously everything is going to look like it is run by Starfleet and the Federation when coming at it from that angle. It would be like serving in Vietnam and seeing a reporter from Stars & Stripes and concluding that that's the only newspaper in existence, or having the MPs show up and assuming that that's the only law enforcement, or having an Army helicopter take you to a base and thinking that that's the only mode of transportation that exists. No, we're just seeing things from a very narrow perspective of Starfleet personnel.

Secondly, just because the government runs something doesn't mean civilians can't have free access to it and be legally protected from being tracked on it without a warrant. The Global Positioning System (GPS) is owned by the US government, was started by the Department of Defense, is currently operated by the US Space Force (formerly the USAF), and since the 80s has been freely accessible to anyone with a GPS receiver. It can even be interfaced with the positioning satellites of other countries to provides greater coverage, speed, and accuracy.

Thirdly, there are civilian transport services and privately owned vessels (Kassidy Yates' freighter, Earth Cargo Service, etc.) as well as non-Federation ones that are allowed access within the Federation (the Nyberite Alliance that Worf was going to join).

There are more than just the Federation and Starfleet news services, though those do tend to dominate the films and show because they're set on Starfleet ships and facilities.

https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/reporters.htm
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The Federation is much darker than we ever imagined.
If they're fascists, they're the most mellow fascists I've ever seen. The Terran Empire from the MU are fascists, certainly, but not the Federation.
 
Lots of countries have the death penalty for something.
Not very many countries which do practice capital punishment do so for violating a travel ban. And in the Federation, violating a travel ban is the only crime punishable by death. Think about that for a minute. In the Federation, murder is not a capital crime, but violating a travel ban is. That's all kinds of messed up.

And that's before we go into non canon territory where according to the novels, the guy who attempted a coup only got sentenced to five years in prison and was released after serving three. Yet someone who violates a travel ban would get the death sentence.

Maybe it's not fascism, but it's definitely a messed up system.
 
Not very many countries which do practice capital punishment do so for violating a travel ban. And in the Federation, violating a travel ban is the only crime punishable by death. Think about that for a minute. In the Federation, murder is not a capital crime, but violating a travel ban is. That's all kinds of messed up.

Given that this "travel ban" carries the very real danger of destroying the Federation if violated...I would say it's justified.
 
Given that this "travel ban" carries the very real danger of destroying the Federation if violated...I would say it's justified.
To me it just seems like shining a light on something that should be kept a secret. I'm sure the other powers in the galaxy must be damn curious that travelling to a particular planet is the only thing which the Federation executes people over. I'm sure it'd be super easy, barely an inconvenience for their intelligence people to realize the reason people who travel to Talos are executed is because they could potentially destroy the Federation, then suddenly Talos becomes a priority for the Romulans or the Dominion or whoever the Federation ends up at war with.
 
To me it just seems like shining a light on something that should be kept a secret. I'm sure the other powers in the galaxy must be damn curious that travelling to a particular planet is the only thing which the Federation executes people over. I'm sure it'd be super easy, barely an inconvenience for their intelligence people to realize the reason people who travel to Talos are executed is because they could potentially destroy the Federation, then suddenly Talos becomes a priority for the Romulans or the Dominion or whoever the Federation ends up at war with.
In the comics it is one of the reasons that lead the Klingons to finding Talos and using it as a weapon against the Enterprise, as the Klingons are immune due to their aggressive nature.
 
Now I know this is controversial. Scotty tells an alien in trying to get them to join Starfleet that the Federation is strong because it is like a bundle of sticks. Fascist derives from the Latin "Fasces" meaning ' bundle of sticks" This was the metaphor Hitler used for the Third Reich as well. Is the Federation becoming the Fourth Reich?
"Over time, the fasces came to represent the ideal of American democracy: like the thin rods bound together, the small individual state achieve their strength and stability though their union under the federal government."

https://history.house.gov/Education/Fact-Sheets/Rostrum-Fact-Sheet2/
 
I seem to remember Ben on Bonanza also using the bundle of sticks analogy to represent how people can be stronger together instead of going alone. Real fascists, those Cartwrights. :shifty:

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