In the Flesh? ? ?

[Vic Sixx]

What the hell, they just showed this. I still can't believe how they de-fanged and did away with the 8472 aliens. They didn't seem to display even the smallest hint of telepathy. Chacotay makes out with one, seems more like a Kirk moment. Everything that made them interesting was gone. Seems like such a waste.

 

[Christopher]

On the contrary -- I felt this was a story in the classic Trek spirit, turning the 8472s from mere monsters into actual characters and embodying the idea that it's always possible to make peace and that most conflicts arise from misunderstandings. I don't agree that just being dangerous or menacing makes a species interesting.

As for telepathy, the only people who could receive 8472's telepathic communications were those who were themselves telepathic, Kes and Tuvok. Kes was gone by this point, and Tuvok wasn't on the mission to the biosphere (since his telepathy might've made him a security risk if they'd picked up his thoughts). As for the lack of telepathy between the 8472s, perhaps it was suppressed while they were in human form.

 

[exodus]

^^Tuvok was on the mission.


He and Chakotay were in the biosphere together.

 

[od0_ital]

^

If I'm rememberin' right, Chakotay was on the biosphere alone 'til he was exposed as a real human.

Tuvok didn't get onboard the biosphere 'til after the agreement with 8472 was reached.

 

[Bill Morris]

The one thing I was disappointed about was that Janeway didn't ask the fake Boothby what the species preferred to be called instead of Species 8472. Or Chakotay could have asked the fake Archer, etc.

 

[nx1701g]

^ No, Tuvok is with Chakotay during the initial mission. When he first meets Archer after visiting Logistical Support Tuvok finds him in the Quantum Cafe (right before the Security/8472 tries to arrest them for being in a restricted area.

 

[od0_ital]

^

'kay, been forever since I saw the episode, so I won't argue.

 

[nx1701g]

^ No big deal. I'm just more shocked that Christopher didn't know Tuvok was there at the mission beginning. I nearly fell out of my chair.

 

[Christopher]

Oops. Been too long since I saw it.

 

[Sketcher]

well seeing as how the whole thing was an extremely detailed simulation, would species 8472 being telepathically aware of tuvok, a vulcan starfleet officer, be so unusual. they were probably playing their respective roles and not using their telepathic abilities

 

[exodus]

^^Wasn't Bothby always yelling at them to stay in the role as human?


I think the best part for me was seeing Zack from Gremlins in the ep.

 

[Capt_Piett]

Really, he was in that episode? Where was he? I liked this episode overall. I garee that it gave 8472 another layer more than the "wipe all humanity from the face of space" they had in Scorpion.

 

[exodus]

Capt_Piett said:
Really, he was in that episode? Where was he? I liked this episode overall. I garee that it gave 8472 another layer more than the "wipe all humanity from the face of space" they had in Scorpion.

He was the Species 8472 they brought onboard Voyager.

Remember in the guy in sickbay that transformed back into the Species original form? That was him.

 

[tomalak301]

I loved this episode because it showed that 8472 and Voyager could solve their problems diplomatically instead of more shooting. It was great to finally get into the mind of 8472 and really fleshed (No pun intended) them out much more. The only problem I had with the episode was never finding out what alien race they truly were. Species 8472 is just a Borg designation.

 

[Jack Bauer]

I wonder what happened with Boothby and the ther 8472's when they went back home. Did they get killed or what?

 

[Hoshi_Mayweather]

This was one of my favorite episodes of VOY...

 

[tomalak301]

The women who played Archer (I think that's Kate Vernon, same chick who played Tigh's Wife in BSG) is smoking hot.

 

[nx1701g]

^ that I can definately agree with :thumbsup:

 

[Jack Bauer]

Me too.^^^

 

[nx1701g]

This thread is useless without pics:

So here

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