In the 28-29th century how far in time could time travelers go?

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  1. Garak234

    Garak234 Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    Did temporal tech have the capability to go back to the time of the Terran Dinosaurs or see the Iconian empire or could they only go back -10,000 years.
    in terms of future time tech it was likely limited to non existent since no time traveler using time travel tech saw the Burn influencing the past.(or did time travel to post burn Galaxy propel UFP efforts to find Dilithium alternatives?)
     
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  2. FederationHistorian

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    Back to the 20th century is the only reference we have for the 29th century (“Future’s End” in VOY), so at least 900 years.

    For further reference, 900 years is also how far the 31st timeship was sent to the ENT era.

    Q taking Picard back 3.5 billion years to show the origins of humanity is the furthest time travel distance ever shown on screen.
     
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  3. dupersuper

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    Didn't a Q take Voyager back to the big bang?
     
  4. fireproof78

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    A brief wiki search reveals it was Quinn in Death Wish, and it was apparently "moments before "
     
  5. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    We know in ENT, their (30th century) time cops watched the pyramids being built.
     
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  6. fireproof78

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    And kids still complained about boring field trips.
     
  7. FederationHistorian

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    The point being is that we’ve never seen a timeship travel past 900 years. Only with the assistance of the Q have any Starfleet officers gone back in time beyond the span of a millennium. That and Surak’s katra in Archer to visit the Time of Awakening.

    Although, one would expect that the Temporal Wars would have allowed any point in time to be a battleground.
     
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  8. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    The Red Angel suit seemed to have unlimited access to time and space. Anywhere and anywhen. It's limits, if any, were never explored.
     
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  9. dupersuper

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    But...there were no moments before the big bang...
     
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  10. fireproof78

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    Welcome to Voyager?
     
  11. Timo

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    That the Temporal Wars could "end" sort of establishes that it is possible for heroes or villains to slap artificial limits on time travel and even enforce them to a degree. If mere mortals can do that, we might do well to speculate that time travel, while seemingly trivially easy, is in fact really, really hard to pull off when you go to the really distant past or future. No "flanking maneuvers" in time wars, then!

    The witnessed time machines easily (?) doing about a thousand years still leaves a broad battlefield for the wars mentioned in DIS. But having technological or "natural" limitations as a thing would be good for continuity and plausibility, even if it isn't a complete and airtight excuse.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
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    I think the limitations on how far you can time travel are more practical considerations than technological ones.

    The further forward in time you go the less likely you will be able to relate to the people you encounter and the more easy it will be for you to stand out and be discovered.

    The same applies to time travel to the past, but with the added wrinkle that the further back you go the greater the chance of there being a butterfly effect event which can drastically alter the future, so if possible it's better to go to a time you have extensive records and knowledge of to limit the possibility of temporal contamination.
     
  13. Quinton

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    Goddammit. LOL.
     
  14. XCV330

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    it ran on Discovery Season 3 Tears through a complex warp-tunnel-fungal connection. Once the last tear dried, it could no longer be used.
     
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    Yeah, when fighting in a Time War, the last thig you want to do is go back so far you risk eliminating yourself. :eek:
     
  16. Yistaan

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    I find it very hard to believe that all species everywhere just destroyed all their time travel technology. We also know per Daniels in Enterprise that they were so commonplace they had time travel monitors in schools in the 31st century. Did the Borg meekly destroy their time travel tech too? Really? The Fed can't even get the Emerald Chain to agree to anything in the 32nd century, but somehow a century before every single government in the galaxy agreed to destroy their time travel tech?
     
  17. Deks

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    Well, according to what we heard on Disco (and ENT), the Temporal Wars did quite a number on the timeline.
    Hence, its possible they all decided (collectively) to ban the technology after witnessing just how badly things got.

    Its also possible that more powerful organisations such as the UFP and Klingons ENFORCED Temporal technology ban on smaller organisations.
    It is also likely they retained SOME measure of the abilty to detect use of temporal technologies (at least in a given radius).
    Temporal shields might also still exist (for obvious reasons)... only technology which allows time travel as such is strictly banned (accidental use of pre-existing technology for time travel not withstanding as those would be software/hardware encoded to PREVENT temporal mishaps from happening with the ban coming into effect).

    It wouldn't make sense to ban everything and anything relating to time travel though... such as the TARDIS tech (if that was a product of temporal technology).
     
  18. fireproof78

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    Here's hoping the Organians set something up after seeing the destruction. Time travel being destroyed would be the best thing to happen to Star Trek since sliced warp cores.
     
  19. Deks

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    They did have temporal historians studying the building of Pyramids for example.
    For actualy temporal manipulation to have an advantageous effect... most species goals would have been to accelerate advancement by sending more advanced technology into the past.

    Establishing footholds in the past (or going back further and doing that than say 1000 years) may have demonstrated disadvantageous though... as the corruption to the existing timeline could have resulted in unmanageable temporal paradoxes.
     
  20. Vale

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    The moments before the big bang are where they keep the spare cracks for event horizons.
     
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