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In regards to Clarke's passing...could the writers..

The original novel of 2001 explains just about everything that the movie left vague.
There is no "original novel" of 2001. The movie was based on Clarke's short story "The Sentinel," which Clarke, in collaboration with Kubrick, expanded into 2001 at the same time that the movie was being filmed. The novel 2001: A Space Odyssey is, in fact, a novelization of the film.
 
I didn't know that. Do you know if the short story is collected in one of his collections? (Or I could just go down into my basement and see if I have it someplace.)

I have to admit that Heinlein was my inspiration as a writer, but Clarke and Asimov were certainly up there on my reading list when I was a teenager.
 
^ It's in a collection appropriately titled The Sentinel, first published in 1982, reprinted in 2000 by ibooks inc. With ibooks having gone out of business, the availability of the book is questionable, sadly.
 
The original novel of 2001 explains just about everything that the movie left vague.
There is no "original novel" of 2001. The movie was based on Clarke's short story "The Sentinel," which Clarke, in collaboration with Kubrick, expanded into 2001 at the same time that the movie was being filmed. The novel 2001: A Space Odyssey is, in fact, a novelization of the film.

I think I meant "the original novel" as opposed to the second novel, 2010: Odyssey Two, rather than as opposed to the Kubrick film. But it was an ambiguous usage and I probably should've chosen different words.

However, I don't think it's valid to call it a novelization, because that's making the same mistake in reverse. Neither the book nor the film has claim to be the original version on which the other was based; they were symbiotic creations, with Clarke and Kubrick collaborating and influencing each other at every step of the process, not just during filming but from the very inception. And yet they're profoundly different, almost polar opposites in some ways. (It suddenly occurs to me that Harvey Dent must love them....)
 
LoL, nice pun.

I didn't realize the 2001s were like that, I had always thought that the movie was based on the book. What about the last two, how do they relate to the movies and the books? Because I know somebody said something about them all being different somehow.
 
When I caught it recently on TV, I was delighted by its scientific rigor (for the most part) and I lamented that virtually no movie since then has made any effort to match it.

I haven't seen it, but I've heard good things about Sunshine. How did it hold up as far as hard SF?

Kevin (Okay, okay. I know it's off-topic.)
 
The novel 2001: A Space Odyssey is, in fact, a novelization of the film.

Like Christopher, I have to disagree with that assessment. The book and the movie were developed simultaneously using Clarke's short story The Sentinel as a basis, which was a rather unique situation with interesting results. At least as far as I understand the situation. I'm no expert.
 
First off, his name was Roy Scheider, not Schneider. Second, the level of exposition in the movie was pretty faithful to the book on which it was based. Clarke always gave plenty of detailed exposition, which is what made him such an odd match with Kubrick. The original novel of 2001 explains just about everything that the movie left vague.
That level of exposition works in a novel. The narrative can cover it. In a film, it's heavy-handed and awkward.
 
The book and the movie were developed simultaneously using Clarke's short story The Sentinel as a basis, which was a rather unique situation with interesting results. At least as far as I understand the situation. I'm no expert.

If you'd like to become one, track down a copy of the book The Lost Worlds of 2001. There's some nonfiction behind-the-scenes stuff from Clarke and excerpts from earlier drafts of 2001. Can't remember details offhand, because I read it back around 1975, but for serious 2001 fans, it's a must read. (For 2010 fans, try The Odyssey File, which includes emails back and forth between Clarke and the film's director Peter Hyams.)
 
^^And just to clarify, Steve is referring to earlier drafts of the book version of 2001. It follows the evolution of the storyline from "The Sentinel" (which I think is included) through to the final version (which isn't, because it's a separate book). And it discusses how Kubrick gave feedback and the project evolved.

There's some really interesting stuff in The Lost Worlds of 2001. It's not arbitrarily named. One thing that Clarke, Kubrick, and their advisors gradually hashed out was just how much to show of the aliens -- whether it was possible to create a credible depiction of alien life, or whether it was better to play it safe and leave it implicit rather than depict something that would be rendered obsolete by new discoveries (since back then SETI was just beginning and there was greater optimism that we might make actual contact before much longer). Some of the early novel drafts have much more elaborate sequences of the characters visiting the aliens' world and exploring its wonders. I think there are at least a couple of different versions of such a story in the book.

EDIT: Okay, I've just retrieved my copy of the book. (It was readily available on my bookshelf, but I was eating while I wrote the last part.) It does include "The Sentinel" as chapter 3, following the original opening chapter of the novel and a brief behind-the-scenes chapter about the genesis of the project. Then comes more behind-the-scenes stuff about the filmmaking process and Clarke's discussions with Kubrick. This is followed by four chapters from the original version of the novel, in which the "Dawn of Man" sequence is told in flashback midway through the book rather than at the beginning, and is told partly from the perspective of a fairly humanoid alien named Clindar who taught early hominids how to make the first tools. It's basically a prequel to "The Sentinel," because it ends with what's essentially a setup for the events of that story.

The next section of the book covers "The Birth of HAL," and features seven early-draft chapters in which the featured AI was a robot named Socrates. There's even an homage to Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics. We also meet the character of Senator Floyd, later Dr. Heywood Floyd (the chapters seem to come from different drafts), along with biophysicist/cyberneticist David Bowman, aerospace physiologist Dr. Kelvin Poole, and various other team members who were not just cryogenic corpsicles in this version. These chapters have a lot of setup and exposition for the Discovery mission and the scientific ideas underlying the story -- pretty much everything that was skipped over between one frame and the next in the film.

Next we get one nonfiction chapter discussing the evolution of Discovery and the research that went into creating a plausible spaceship for the film (oh, why, why is this so rare?). It's followed by 15 chapters of fiction depicting, to quote Clarke, "alternative versions of the accident, the nature of the Star Gate, and the mode of entry into it." The fiction portion of this section starts off basically where the last one ended, beginning with the launch of the ship and the long sleep en route, so we get a pretty continuous story (and again, it's stuff the movie just skipped clear over), aside from the fact that they're from different drafts. At this point, the ship's AI is named Athena. And Bowman's line "It's full of stars" goes clear back to this early draft. Except in this case, instead of a free-floating monolith, the Star Gate is inside "Jupiter V," the tiny moon which we now know as Amalthea. I think these chapters draw from two different drafts, but it's hard to tell from a cursory survey.

The final section is "The Worlds of the Star Gate," featuring chapters showing three different versions of what's on the other side. The first chapter features the return of the immortal Clindar, who gets to see the payoff for what he set in motion three million years before, and is met by the whole surviving crew of Discovery, who have come through with the ship. The next four chapters have only Bowman surviving to pass through the Gate, whereupon he (in his space pod) flies over an alien landscape and city, and is then probed and studied before finally making the beginnings of contact with an alien race, again depicted as somewhat humanoid (on the rationale that he might've been sent to a world whose natives were similar to him). The final version features more exotic aliens, in part, but is also closer to the final, more mysterious version of the ending, and the idea that the aliens' assistance to human evolution is about to take its second step.
 
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