In hindsight do you wish TNG had ended with "All Good Things"?

[Dukhat]

It greatly updated and enhanced the look of the franchise from what was becoming the dated style of the series. The sets--even the D--look sharper and more interesting.

Only Generations showed the Ent-D sets, and they were all darkened to the point where we could barely see them. Unless that's your definition of "sharper and more interesting?"

The uniforms and makeup looked more natural.

Well, halfway through Generations all the uniforms were switched to the DS9 cast's uniforms that didn't fit correctly. Or are you referring to the FC uniforms?

 

[tomalak301]

I wish they would have ended with First Contact, since I liked the first two films. I also enjoyed Insurrection to a smaller extent, but that was about the time TNG kind of lost what made the cast great on the series and turned them into idiotic jokers or something. Didn't like the forced humor in the last two films.

 

[johnnybear]

There was humour in Nemesis?
JB

 

[Richard Baker]

I hated "Generations' and 'Insurrection'- it would have been good to see the TNG end with 'All Good Things' if they had made 'First Contact' as their first big screen film.
I was just thinking how that movie and 'Nemesis' would have been with the Galaxy Class Refit and they upgraded the interior sets instead of spending all that money on new stuff for the 1701-E.
The whole concept of needing a movie to pass the torch is insulting- the entire film was wrapped around this and Shatner's demands to be a significant part of it. At the time most people were familiar with TNG and they should have gotten a movie which could stand on it's own.

 

[K'Toska]

No because I always want more Trek. It doesn't mean I always like what's done with it, but I am glad to have more of it to watch. To be honest, I am not a big fan of Trek movies. Some are good but to me, they still pale in comparison to the TV shows. Unlike many people, I did not really like FC. In fact, I immensely dislike the Borg Queen so that aspect killed the movie for me. I probably wouldn't put any of the TNG movies in my list of favorite Trek movies, but none were that horrible to me. There were funny moments, philosophical ones, ethical questions, etc. still present in the movies. I'm not quite sure why people hate "Nemesis" so much though. I liked it better than the other ones from what I can recall.

 

[fireproof78]

I think AGT is one of TNG's best episodes. It was the episode that actually got me interested in TNG, and I went back and learned more about the show and watched more episodes.

The films are a mixed bag for me. In my opinion, Generations tried too hard to fit Kirk in, First Contact was an interesting continuation of the Borg, Insurrection is boring, and Nemesis had an interesting, but ultimately unrealized potential. Data's death aggravates me to no end and to end the franchise on such a note, versus the optimism of AGT, makes the question simple for me.

 

[RandyS]

The whole concept of needing a movie to pass the torch is insulting.

Not to mention pointless. I never did understand it. That kind of talk was fine for 1987 when TNG actually was new, but by 1994, they were as established as the TOS cast. Generation's whole marketing campaign mad little sense.

And don't even get me started on the destruction of the D, or Data's death. Two pointless acts of moronic stupidity that annoy me to this day....

 

[Starborn Dragon]

The destruction of the big D may have been annoying, but what's worse is when they destroy a hero ship and only re-place it with a completely new version that is exactly the same.

I don't mind a reset button, but it should be using sparingly.

After all, what's the point of telling a story if nothing changes?

 

[Dukhat]

The destruction of the big D may have been annoying, but what's worse is when they destroy a hero ship and only re-place it with a completely new version that is exactly the same.

The only three times I can recall that happening is with the Ent-A in TVH, the Defiant in DS9, and the Delta Flyer in VOY. None of which have anything to do with the TNG films. Unless you're just making a random statement that you don't like it when hero ships blow up and then get replaced with identical twins, in which case I agree with you.

 

[JesterFace]

So in hindsight do you wish TNG had called it a day after the show ended or are you glad the films were made.

For me TNG ends with 'All Good Things...', a great way to end the show and honestly I don't like any of the TNG movies, so I don't watch them, ever.

The films... If someone likes them, OK, but TNG would have a better legacy without them.

 

[Trek Survivor]

I think TNG's legacy is just fine.

As for the original question... obviously hindsight is a wonderful thing. Do we have the option of "I wanted movies, but maybe slightly different in parts from what we got?"

For example, "Generations" - for the most part, I liked it, but there were some things - chiefly the destruction of the Ent-D I think - that I would have changed.

All in all, I love TNG and if it was a choice between "no movies" or "the movies we got" I would opt for the latter.

 

[suarezguy]

As bad as the films overall were I'll still take them to get First Contact, one of Trek's best installments and the big-screen sequel that TBoBW demanded.

 

[Dukhat]

As bad as the films overall were I'll still take them to get First Contact, one of Trek's best installments and the big-screen sequel that TBoBW demanded.

At the expense of making the guy from TOS's "Metamorphosis" into an alcoholic womanizing self-centered asshole, and also at the expense of making the Borg into some drone bee hive with a sultry hormone-addled queen bee at the center.

But if you liked it, awesome

 

[RandyS]

As bad as the films overall were I'll still take them to get First Contact, one of Trek's best installments and the big-screen sequel that TBoBW demanded.

At the expense of making the guy from TOS's "Metamorphosis" into an alcoholic womanizing self-centered asshole, and also at the expense of making the Borg into some drone bee hive with a sultry hormone-addled queen bee at the center.

There's no doubt in my mind that was Ron Moore's doing. The guy gets off on taking heroic characters and shitting all over them for some strange reason.

 

[DonIago]

Or just acknowledging that heroes usually aren't flawless.

 

[Marsden]

TNG ended because the fans were being childish over Nemesis and Stewart got mad at them back.

It ended because people quit buying tickets to the movies.

Bingo. Nemesis clearly left the door open for another film with B4. If it had made a big profit. TNG 5 would have hit the screen in a few years.

But the public voted with their wallets and the result was a landslide. We've had enough CRAPPY TNG films.

I fixed that for you. First Contact would not have been the last movie because it was good. Insurrection and Nemesis in a row is really what stopped the TNG films.

Any films series should end if the movie going public and even the fans of the property don't like them and have to strain to see some "good points" in them.

 

[BeatleJWOL]

As bad as the films overall were I'll still take them to get First Contact, one of Trek's best installments and the big-screen sequel that TBoBW demanded.

At the expense of making the guy from TOS's "Metamorphosis" into an alcoholic womanizing self-centered asshole

Fits with the trend of taking an advanced but possibly still volatile future and turning it into a future where nobody except aliens have arguments or money any more.

Or maybe The Companion just really mellowed ol' Zeph out.

 

[Makarov]

I like all the TNG films, although Generations is kind of a snore fest to me. My rankings are:

First Contact
Insurrection
Nemesis
Generations

Do I think they should have ended it with All Good Things? Nah.. I enjoy the movies. I just wish the movies had a stronger ending for the TNG crew. They don't take anything away from the fact that the tv show had a perfect ending because I kind of separate them in my head.

 

[Lance]

There's a nice open-endedness about AGT. In the mists of our minds, the ship and crew could have gone anywhere from there. And had it been the literal end, then we'd have been left with those hypothetical possibilities to ponder.

The movies act as an anticlimax to that. First they shoot down 1701-D herself, then they basically do character assassinations on the rest of the crew as well. Our lasting impressions of The Next Generation are therefore suffering a kind of taint; a post-script where we start our discussions with "That show was awesome!", but finish them with "Oh yeah, but it all got a bit depressing in the movies at the end".

AGT left us with hope. But the TNG movies stomped on that hope, kicked sand into it's face, squeezed lemon juice into it's eyes, and left it rolling around on the grass screaming "Make It Stop!".

Of course, all of this is only evident to us in retrospect. At the time, with TNG ending on a high, sending the crew to the big screen seemed like the obvious thing to do. And I can't really imagine any way in which history could have unfolded differently than the way it did.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

It greatly updated and enhanced the look of the franchise from what was becoming the dated style of the series. The sets--even the D--look sharper and more interesting.

Only Generations showed the Ent-D sets, and they were all darkened to the point where we could barely see them. Unless that's your definition of "sharper and more interesting?"

The uniforms and makeup looked more natural.

Well, halfway through Generations all the uniforms were switched to the DS9 cast's uniforms that didn't fit correctly. Or are you referring to the FC uniforms?

Barely see them? I guess if you are used to working in an office cubicle, you would prefer the lighting scheme of the series. I prefer the attempt to simulate natural light.

As for the uniforms, the DS9 uniforms, which were a quixotic choice stylistically (I am aware of the backstory, including the sharing), nonetheless fit better, although I think the FC uniforms were best (or most forgiving) in terms of fit.

 

[Sybok Was Wrong]

They should have waited a year before jumping into their first movie, to come up with a better film.

I just wish they came up with better movies; I just don't think Berman/Moore/Braga have a "feature mindset". They just came up with bigger TV episodes for the big screen, and not great ones at that...

It would have been better for TNG's Legacy had they ceased at "All Good Things", in retrospect.

TNG's legacy is tarnished.