IN and OUT Burgers

[Hofner]

Joseph Sisko makes gumbo. Gumbo is usually made from some kind of stock; chichen, pork or shellfish. He might restrict it to shellfish; but I wonder what other creole dishes might use meat. I 'think' he makes creole and not cajun; my memory's foggy.

My uncle who's from Louisiana will have to disown me for my ignorance of creole and cajun food.

Robert

 

[captcalhoun]

Sisko's restaurant being 'Sisko's CREOLE Kitchen' might point the way...

 

[Hofner]

captcalhoun said:
Sisko's restaurant being 'Sisko's CREOLE Kitchen' might point the way...

I TOLD you my memory's foggy; I haven't watched DS9 for some time.

Robert

 

[Kubwulf]

To weigh in on this...

I think Trek would have real meat. Riker's comments may allude to the fact that they don't have dairy farms anymore where the cows are fed a strict diet for the sole purpose of slaughtering. However, this doesn't meant that they don't have meat in general. It may just be raised differently.

Also, I'm from New York. I hate In and Out. I, personally, can't stand their burgers. However, I will not say that CA doesn't have some good food. This burger debate is a bit pointless, but you both need to chill on it. The way you're writing sounds like you're ready to bite each other's heads off. As for the wings... I have to agree to the Bleu cheese. Ranch is a bit...odd. I've lived in CA for 8 years now and I'm still not used to it. Besides which, there is no place out here where I live that serves garlic wings. I miss garlic wings...

 

[CaptainHawk1]

Guartho said:

CaptainHawk1 said:

I'm from way farther east (in the U.S., no less, a little place called New York, maybe you've heard of it...) than you think, pal. You can't get a good burger to save your life in Las Vegas which means you have to settle for In-N-Out or Fatburger.
-Shawn

I've eaten hamburgers on both coasts (including a little place called New York that I've heard of) and in Las Vegas. I have experienced good and bad burgers just about everywhere. In fact, about the only thing I experienced in New York that was truly unique to New York was the attitude that "everything that's not here is inferior." Wait, they have that in Texas too. Nevermind.

Talk about your generalities.

I don't have that attitude and quite frankly most of the things out west are better than they are back east but there are some things like certain foods that aren't even close.

In no particular order:

Pizza (and pretty much anything Italian)
Hamburgers
Hot Dogs
Chicken Wings
Cheessteaks
Reuben Sandwiches
Long Island Iced Teas (Ironically, out west, they don't put Tequila in them)
Fish and Chips dinners (most places out west make the portions too small and/or they don't know how to make a good beer batter)

However there are some foods that I prefer out here. For example the best steaks I've ever had were in Hawai'i, Las Vegas and L.A., in no particular order. Also, Sushi back east is dreadful where it's simply amazing out here.

-Shawn

 

[Galactic Alignment]

CaptainHawk1 said:Fish and Chips dinners (most places out west make the portions too small and/or they don't know how to make a good beer batter)

You know of Fish & Chips (or "fish suppers"* as they are known in Northern England) in the States? Cripes. Been Stateside a few times with lots of eating-out involved and didn't realise that. Cool.

* there is also, in Scotland, "haggis suppers", which is chip shop chips with haggis in the same batter that the fish is cooked in. Lovely, if you can stomach the calorific content.

Err, anyway, back to Trek. The Federation citizens would be in a 'win-win' situation. I can't imagine United Earth or the UFP banning slaughter and consumption of livestock, for cultural reasons. So, anyone who chooses to eat a prime fillet steak made from a real (dead) bovine can, whilst those who like the taste of meat but feel a bit squeemish about killing animals for food due to personal, moral or cultural can enjoy an (possibly inferior) replicated steak instead. It's called having one's steak and eating it!

 

[JiNX-01]

RobertScorpio said:
We have a great hamburger joint here in califorina called IN and OUT. Not sure if you have them back east, or over seas, but they are pretty good.

But it got me thinking. Do they eat animals Trek's future. Roddenberry was kind kooky with some of his beliefs, IMO, but since they have replicators, I wonder if eating 'real' meat is against Federation laws.

Does anyone know if that is the case? Or can Quark's serve authentic Prime-rib?

Trip (fried catfish) and Archer have steak in Broken Bow. Archer taunts Dolim about eating turtle soup in Azati Prime.
Kirk complains that his chicken sandwich and coffee have been replaced by Tribbles. I believe there was also a reference to real turkey for Thanksgiving in an episode.
Klingons eat gagh.
Spock eats meat in "All Our Yesterdays."
Janeway's replicator hates her so it burns her pot roasts... or something to that effect.

Yeah, people eat animals in the future.

 

[JiNX-01]

Kubwulf said:
To weigh in on this...

I think Trek would have real meat. Riker's comments may allude to the fact that they don't have dairy farms anymore where the cows are fed a strict diet for the sole purpose of slaughtering.

Good news, everybody! Dairy cows are still alive after being MILKED.

 

[Kubwulf]

In upstate new york, dairy farms also raise cows for slaughter. Thank you for being so narrow minded as to think a farmer would only invest a farm on one type of product.

 

[Kegek]

Kubwulf said:
I think Trek would have real meat. Riker's comments may allude to the fact that they don't have dairy farms anymore where the cows are fed a strict diet for the sole purpose of slaughtering. However, this doesn't meant that they don't have meat in general. It may just be raised differently.

Other posters have certainly raised interesting examples of meat eating that may contradict Riker's statement. But given the rather all encompassing terminology - "we don't enslave animals for food purposes" - it seems that even milking cows would qualify as enslavement for food purposes.

And not to get too embroiled in the debate, but I've gone on holiday from one end of the US to the other, and much inbetween. I've never been in a city where I couldn't get a really good, high quality burger. We don't get stuff that good in Europe. But I disgress...

 

[teya]

JiNX-01 said:

Kubwulf said:
To weigh in on this...

I think Trek would have real meat. Riker's comments may allude to the fact that they don't have dairy farms anymore where the cows are fed a strict diet for the sole purpose of slaughtering.

Good news, everybody! Dairy cows are still alive after being MILKED.

Of course, to get a dairy cow milking, she has to have a calf. Now if the calf is female, terrific! Another cow for the herd.

But males in a dairy herd are useless. Bulls are ornery and it takes only one to inseminate the herd--something usually done these days by artificial insemination anyway.

So what happens to those extra males? They are culled.

That means killed. And eaten.

 

[JiNX-01]

Kubwulf said:
In upstate new york, dairy farms also raise cows for slaughter. Thank you for being so narrow minded as to think a farmer would only invest a farm on one type of product.

Then why specify dairy farms? Plenty of farms that don't have a single dairy cow raise cattle for slaughter. They also have been known to raise pigs, chickens, horses, corn, potatoes, peas, carrots, tomatoes...

You say dairy and I think milk cows.

You say FARMER and I won't argue.

 

[TGTheodore]

PKTrekGirl said:Now true, oysters are not meat...but from a moral point of view, killing an oyster is not much different from killing a cow.

Not from the cow's point of view.

--Ted

 

[Captain Intrepid]

PKTrekGirl said:Further, I specifically remember Sisko scrubbing and shelling oysters in one episode - I think 7x01 when he is back on Earth trying to get over Jadzia's death.

Now true, oysters are not meat...but from a moral point of view, killing an oyster is not much different from killing a cow.

I thought it was potatoes he was preping... //shrugs//

And oysters are made of meat. The only people who don't consider seafood to be meat, are wussy "vegetarians" who aren't really.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

Actually, I'm pretty sure they were clams.

 

[EnsignRicky]

I always thought that popcorn shrimp had the highest body count; Hell, I could eat a whole village in one sitting.

 

[Captain Intrepid]

Rattrap 64 said:

CaptainHawk1 said:Fish and Chips dinners (most places out west make the portions too small and/or they don't know how to make a good beer batter)

You know of Fish & Chips (or "fish suppers"* as they are known in Northern England) in the States? Cripes. Been Stateside a few times with lots of eating-out involved and didn't realise that. Cool.

It's my experience as a Canadian who has some proper Fish and Chip, that American Fish&Chips usually suck.

 

[AdmiralGarak]

TheMacMan said:

PKTrekGirl said:Further, I specifically remember Sisko scrubbing and shelling oysters in one episode - I think 7x01 when he is back on Earth trying to get over Jadzia's death.

Now true, oysters are not meat...but from a moral point of view, killing an oyster is not much different from killing a cow.

I thought it was potatoes he was preping... //shrugs//

And oysters are made of meat. The only people who don't consider seafood to be meat, are wussy "vegetarians" who aren't really.

I don't really remember what he was working on in that scene. It doesn't really matter, though. In "Homefront", Jake complained that Joseph always made him clean oysters and peel potatoes whenever they visited him.

Also, there's a 2nd season TNG episode where Riker serves real eggs to his shipmates.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

TheMacMan said:

Rattrap 64 said:

CaptainHawk1 said:Fish and Chips dinners (most places out west make the portions too small and/or they don't know how to make a good beer batter)

You know of Fish & Chips (or "fish suppers"* as they are known in Northern England) in the States? Cripes. Been Stateside a few times with lots of eating-out involved and didn't realise that. Cool.

It's my experience as a Canadian who has some proper Fish and Chip, that American Fish&Chips usually suck.

I generally don't like fish, but the fish in fish and chips is definitely better in Britain (and it's something I honestly haven't seen offered in the states, but I never looked for it, since it would be like going to London and ordering a Cheesesteak).

As for fries (British chips, but I'm trying to avoid confusion with British crisps), you can get decent fries depending on where you go, but I've never had them prepared the same way in America (cooked with the fish so they're really greasy and flavorful).

Still, even if you could get Fish and Chips in the states, why bother? It'll never be as good as the original.

 

[Keith1701]

I LOVE IN and OUT Burgers..... I have been known to go way out of my way while traveling in California to stop at a IN and OUT Burger. I really wish that IN and OUT Burgers, here in the southern states as well.