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I'm starting to think they don't want to get home...

Parrots_United

Lieutenant Junior Grade
Red Shirt
*Warning: RANT*

After watching TNG and DS9, I have started to watch Voyager. At the moment, I am only about half way through season 3. Admittedly, the script is adept for the most part, but it comes with one major issue: when it comes to opportunities of returning to the alpha quadrant, practically the entire crew acts out of stupidity! Whether the script seems implausible, or the characters are being their self righteous, arrogant selves, It would be a miracle if they progressed more than 20 light years towards their destination. I would have these things this fly, but after this happening 6 times, It's become nothing less than infuriating.

First off, there is the obvious Caretaker incident. Her decision was a clear violation of the prime directive, in addition to the fact that it stranded voyager in the delta quadrant. Most importantly, her decision wasn't even moral! The Caretaker was dying of natural causes, and the Okampa would have supplies for 5 years. That's 5 years for the Okampa to solve their own problems, learn how to make their own technology to thrive. In addition, Janeway doesn't even help the Okampa with their lack of resources later in the show. What angers me most though, is that in this clear violation of the prime directive, Janeway still sometimes refuses to actually help other species under the prime directive. Overall, this episode was a result of sloppy script making a contrived conclusion to the episode, in addition to a contrived way to start the premise of the entire show.



The second incident comes from The Eye Of The Needle. (The crew encounter a wormhole that leads to the alpha quadrant near a Romulan science vessel, though it leads 20 years in the past). Cryogenic stasis people! It exists! It would not have interfered with the timeline if they beamed the crew to the Romulan science vessel, and put the crew in Cyrogenic stasis on an uncharted planet in an undetectable location for 20 years, and then they could then go back to Earth! I know this is a little specific for the script to pick up on, but the point is, being sent to the proper location 20 years ago is a MINOR obstacle.


Prime Factors (Risan-like society that can travel 40K light years with space folding) is obviously another one, though the script was not as bad this time around. If Janeway had accepted to take the technology in the first place, the issues of interfacing the space folding device with federation systems would have had time to have been worked out. This wasn't and issue with the script as much as it was with Janeway's character. It was nothing short of her self righteousness and arrogance that made the "space folding" technique impossible.

Threshold (Paris is able to reach warp 10 on a shuttle) adds to this list in addition to being a ridiculous episode. I know this has no relevance to my main point, but Paris occupied all the area in the universe, and the crew reacts by celebrating like he navigated through a f*cking asteroid field! I'm not going to even begin at what measures this episode takes to undermine the potency of being able to travel at infinite velocity! I digress, the crew makes it seem like stopping the shuttle at any point in space is an easy matter, and this is proved when Paris does it himself near the end of the episode when he mates with Janeway. Furthermore, they can be reverted back to their original state easily with a proton beam (traveling at infinite velocity apparently makes you evolve (Not going to even question that one....)) . Now, here is a simple solution to getting back to Earth: Take voyager, or if they can't do this send a shuttle with an automated route back in forth several times, at warp 10. I know this sounds ridiculous, but all they had to do was leave a note on the desired vessel and say, "Hey! We're from voyager! Long story. If you are reading this, we most likely evolved to a reptilian state! Use a proton beam to revert us back!" Done. Problem solved. It sounds ridiculous in the script, but relative to the rest of this episode, this would not have been much of a stretch.

In False Profits (Ferengi exploit pre-warp civilization) The crew has a golden ticket home. As the crew is traveling to the wormhole, the implausibility and stupidity of the script and characters becomes apparent. First of all, how the hell is it possible for two unarmed Ferengi to incapacitate an armed Starfleet security officer!? Throw this guy out of the airlock; you have to be the most incompetent officer to allow that to happen! Second of all, why the F*CK did voyager chase after the escaping Ferengi!? The Ferengi obviously wouldn't be able to exploit the society again, and regardless, Tuvok was right in the first place. How the Ferengi exploited the culture have no relevance to Voyager's path (Janeway's excuse was obviously bull, If you watched the TNG episode this is based on, the two Ferengi stay in the wormholes destination their own will while Geordi Warned them to come back). They should have let them go, and just headed on into the Wormhole, as they knew that the wormhole was going to collapse. Only two people would be stranded, and I think star trek has a saying for this.... "THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWEIGH THE NEEDS OF THE FEW" ... "ESPECIALLY WHEN THE FEW ARE FERENGI!"

Finally, Death Wish and The Q and the Grey (first two Q episodes). I loved these episodes, because they involved Q. But Long story short, at the end of each episode, A BEING THAT F*CKING BORDERED OMNIPOTENCE WAS GRATEFUL TO THE CREW OF VOYAGER. Did Janeway feel presumptuous asking Q to snap his f*cking fingers to send them home?!?!?!?



I know my "fixes" are a little impractical for a star trek script, but what I'm trying to say is, the fact that they are still in the Delta quadrant by season three is incredibly contrived! On the episodes where they are offered a way home, their obstacles in their way are negligible, and the script implausibly makes the characters act in a way contrary to their personality.
 
Caretaker... they could have gotten home then and there. Tuvok was specificly told to learn how to operate the array to get them back home. Tuvok reported he was ready. Then Janeway blows up the array to keep the Kazon, who were already in retreat, from getting the array. Man... I don't know about the 24th century but in the 21st century we have these things called timers. You can attach them to all kinds of devices to activate them. Even bombs. Teleport Voyager home, have the bombs blow up 5 minutes later. Wow... why didn't they think of that?

Oh I know the writers wanted to force Janeway to make a moral decision, but bungled it so badly they just made her look dumb. All they had to do has have the Kazon ship board the array, then offer to use it to send Janeway home if they can keep it. There's your moral choice and it would have required one extra line of dialogue from that Kazon guest star.

Eye of the Needle, my biggest problem with it was, it was a few episodes into the franchise and they already have a "Will they get home?" episode. So it was rather anti-climatic to say the least. The stasis bit is a good idea and one I hadn't heard before. Not sure of the Romulans would play ball on that one, but yeah could be worth looking into.

Prime Factors is an episode I liked. One the good guys get the Prime Directive thrown in their face for once. That was nice. Two, it has the Maquis acting how they are supposed to. Going behind everyone's back for the good of the ship when the oppurtunity presents itself. It was even compounded by a fact that a guy like Carey threw in with them. Career starfleet sure, but he just wanted to get home to his family, his career be damned. Janeway's self-righteousness was pretty dang thick this episode.

Threshold... Paris builds a shuttle that can accelerate to infinite speed, turns into a lizard, kidnaps Janeway, turns her into a lizard so they make little lizard babies. That alone sums up the stupidity that was this episode. Worst Trek episode ever.

False Profits had Prime Directive issues all over it. Heck the Federation didn't stop the Cardassian occupation of Bajor because of it. Picard didn't want to play god to the Mintakians either. What does Janeway do? Literally has Neelix immitate a god and give them a set of commandments. Wow, good noninterference there. This is really just an example of Janeway having a grudge and taking vengeance. You'll see more of this.

Death Wish and Q and the Grey.. I liked Death Wish a lot. Q and the Grey less so, just because it got a bit absurd there. But I'd like to think Q wouldn't send them home just because. You could have her ask, and have Q give some TNGesque speach about them having to help themselves and learn along the way and they'll never improve if he does the work for them, but that was a missed opputunity. Q will be back in one more episode though.

All I can tell you really is to hold on. Janeway's most insane moments are ahead of her. And maybe you should just skip watching Endgame. ;)
 
Caretaker... alright, they could have gotten home then, but Janeway being the officer that she is wanted to protect a benign alien species that they had already had contact in, in a situation that they were involved in. They were involved (admittedly not by choice) the moment the Caretaker abducted them. Sorry but I side with Janeway, yes she could have gotten her crew home, but one decision could have radically altered the balance of power in that system... and we know that that would eventually come back to bite the Federation in the ass.

Eye of Needle: the cryogenic stasis is definitely a good idea. But even so, I still think that the temporal prime directive would apply. Just because nothing happened on that planet 20 years previously or even during those 20 years does not mean that something is not developing. One small infraction could have devastating consequences.

Threshold: Yeah... no complaints there. An interesting topic that completely went downhill. And Janeway and Paris having lizard kids together? :cardie: The only thing redeeming about that episode is Chakotay's expression when he sees the lizard kids, almost like Paris beat him to the prize :lol:

I loved the Q episodes though! Q is such a great character. Though he has the ability to send Voyager home, and Janeway probably has the right to ask it of him, don't forget that this being also has the ability to reduce Voyager to a smattering of quarks in the blink of an eye.

And if they got home in season 3 we would miss all the awesomeness of season 4. Trust me, there's still some good stuff to come. Although, yes there is a tad of insanity there too.
 
Eye of Needle: the cryogenic stasis is definitely a good idea. But even so, I still think that the temporal prime directive would apply. Just because nothing happened on that planet 20 years previously or even during those 20 years does not mean that something is not developing. One small infraction could have devastating consequences.

Because we know how much Janeway cares for the temporal Prime Directive. ;)

But as not to scare our new viewer off, I am critical of Voyager a lot, especially the moments they make facepalming decisions, which is all too often, but they have some good episodes in there. Not my favorite Trek series by any longshot, but it has two things going for it: It is Trek, and it's not Enterprise. :p
 
Janeway doesn't have to care about a directive that doen't exist yet.

Seven talks about the temporal prime direction in Relativity and Janeway says "The wha - ?"

Besides.

All she had to do in Eye of the Needle was before they crossed over into the AQ slingshot back in time to either when the Microwormhole was a wormhole, or to before the Romulans colonized the other side of the wormhole.

Which is what they should have done is Season 3. Kill Braxton and slingshot back to the future under their own power using the suns magnetic fields.
 
Well in Threshold all they had to do was leave the EMH running, so he could tell Starfleet what needed to be done.

As for "Future End" a sling shot around the sun would do the trick. But the inferrrence is that Braxton and co would prevent them to protect the timeline. Shame they forgot all about that in "Endgame"
 
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It's just one of those things you roll your eyes at, accept, and move on. They weren't gonna get home until the very last episode, common sense be damned!
 
Once upon a time Reese from Malcolm in the middle is lying on the couch watching TV when he says to himself "If i was trapped on that Island and wanted to get off, the first thing I would do is kill Gilligan."
 
There's a later-season episode where they put the whole crew in stasis (except for Seven and the Doctor). It shows why putting the rest of the crew (or at least certain members of the crew) is not a good idea. :lol:
 
They land the ship first before they put every one into stasis and they'd be golden.

Just like the vaddwaar.

Code Pink.

They could park on the dark side of the moon for three hundred years until some place more civilized came into effect.

Braxton wasn't going to stop shit.

He was a batshit bagman.

If they didn't engage, they could have gone to the future immediately and NOT blown up the 29th century.

And the other Braxton, his universe only "appeared" because Voyager took the mobile emitter back to the AQ and completely changed how the Federation saw time and utilized timetravel by artificially advancing their technical sophistication...You know, breaking the temporal displacement policy even if it's an act of self harm.

And even if...

They could have still sucker punched him and taken the USS Aeon back tot he 24th century.

Not that legally Starfleet is supposed to do anything but lock it away in a black box until the 29th century.

Oh.

Janeway didn't even back to the Future II mail warnings/advice/consolidation to the 24th century earth from 20th century Earth about thier situation.

It's unlikely Earth could have passed on email or mail through WWIII, but Vulcan probably has a first class postal service (pun intended.) which they could have used easy enough.
 
Eh...Worst case scenario, it took 30 years to get back, best case it was 7 years to get back. I'm willing to accept Janeway's overly-righteous morals with regards to not harming other lesser developed or defenseless species and doing what she could to fix the damage done by their presence. Compromising her morals/ethics as far as some would like to question her for not doing, could very not have made the trip any quicker (or certainly not sped it up quickly enough to make different decisions and allow the harm of their cruising through the neighborhood to have hit with full force, worth lowering to)
 
The worst case scenario is that the Kazon win the fight in the pilot, they kill the male crewmen to use as food and turn the girls into sex slaves.

That's unfair.

Maybe the blokes could have been sexlaves too?
 
The worst case scenario is that the Kazon win the fight in the pilot, they kill the male crewmen to use as food and turn the girls into sex slaves.

That's unfair.

Maybe the blokes could have been sexlaves too?
Heh...I was speaking of the two possible options in End Game
 
Granted.

I misunderstood once again.

But imagine if that shuttle was still usable?

If it wasn't spent and blown up?

Admiral Janeway goes back in time 24 years and claims that the last 14 years of the journey home was bosh.

Captain Janeway hits her in the side of the head with an empty bottle of wine.

"Honey, I'm not overly fond of the last 2 years."

Season 7 Captain Janeway goes back to meet season 5 Captain Janeway who hits season 7 captain janeway in the face with her coffee mug claiming that the last year and a half was a pointless waste of half assed shenanigans and a little too much tragedy, so she boards the shuttle to go send season 3 Captain Janeway home, only to be kicked in the vage before she can explain her point of view, which is when season 3 captain Janeway assumes this is an ideal opportunity to do-over the fight at Caretakers array and frag the kazon back to the stone age.

A steaming rolling snow ball if you will.

Captain Janeway is more than willing to use time travel, but she has also mostly 80 percent of the time thought that any one telling her what to do is an asshole who must be destroyed, even if they're from a future timeline that went shit because of her god awful decisions.
 
I'm starting to think they don't want to get home...

You're not there yet, but the Equinox crew wanted very badly to get home -- and got into all sorts of heavy problems trying. You'll probably find that two-parter very interesting as the Season 5 cliffhanger and Season 6 premier ep. Fun to look forward to!
 
I loved the Q episodes though! Q is such a great character. Though he has the ability to send Voyager home, and Janeway probably has the right to ask it of him, don't forget that this being also has the ability to reduce Voyager to a smattering of quarks in the blink of an eye.
I guess regardless of how much it frustrates me that they never asked them to be sent home, I can't criticize a Q episode. They're always hilarious and a blast to watch.
 
The Qs do have some of the best lines ever...

"Say, is this a ship of the Valkyries? "

"What are you doing with that dog?
(Q and Janeway look at the puppy the Captain's holding)
... I'm not talking about the puppy."

(you have to hear Plakson say it to get the full effect :))
 
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