I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED!!!

[Lt Cmdr Tyler]

Why is it that of of late i've been seeing ships go to warp near planets, which are inside Solar Systems?

Correct me if i'm wrong (which i'm not) but in the episode (cant think of it or find the name anywhere, but you'll know what i'm talking about) inwhich the changling Dr Bashir is about to destroy Bajors sun. Kira tells Dax to go to warp, but Dax responds with: "We cant go to warp inside a Solar System" where Kira replies with "If we don't there wont be a Solar System anymore"

Well clearly JJ and his team of first time Trek writers are not entirely familiar with the whole Trek thing and Jargon. And I suppose rules and System laws.

But if you can understand it just doesn't all add up in the long run.

Any thoughts???

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Yeah - there were no such restrictions on warp during TOS. Out they go.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

They have broken that rule so many times I'd hesitate to call it a rule. I think the real problem is going to warp when very close to a planet or other stellar body. Even then, it seems like it can be done with a reasonable degree of safety.

In any case, it always struck me as kind of a dumb rule. As long as your trajectory won't take you through any of the stellar bodies in your path, what's the danger? And that is something you can easily calculate to avoid.

 

[Lt Cmdr Tyler]

I thought at first that it might have somrthing to with the traffic inwhich gets about in that Solar System.

 

[Islander]

The best example is Cochrane's flight from Earth to Saturn. I think new powerfull warp engine cause probably cause some form of damage to the fabric of space, so it is prohibited, not impossible.

 

[Hermiod]

I think the problem was more to do with going to warp and then stopping again inside the same solar system.

 

[Lindley]

Perhaps the Runabouts have governors on their systems to prevent this. It doesn't have to be a physics issue to be impossible.

 

[Dayton Ward]

Well clearly JJ and his team of first time Trek writers are not entirely familiar with the whole Trek thing and Jargon. And I suppose rules and System laws.

I'm guessing they took their cues from Star Trek III or IV....

 

[Vonstadt]

*waves hand* Well its more of guideline than a rule

Vons

 

[iguana_tonante]

I always thought it was difficult and potentially dangerous (due to the sun's and planet's gravity wells or whatever), so it was mostly avoided or even prohibited. But not impossible.

 

[Vger]

Didn't they establish this in TMP ? I seem to recall when the Enterprise left Kirk said they had to wait until outside the solar system before going to warp.

 

[Hambone]

Perhaps warp technology changed between TOS and TMP, because in TOS the Enterprise was always "warping out of orbit". We hear that exact line in "The Menagerie". How many times did we hear "take us out of orbit...ahead warp factor two"?

 

[Deckerd]

Perhaps warp technology changed between TOS and TMP, because in TOS the Enterprise was always "warping out of orbit". We hear that exact line in "The Menagerie". How many times did we hear "take us out of orbit...ahead warp factor two"?

They broke all the rules, those cowboys.

 

[Daneel]

I always thought it was difficult and potentially dangerous (due to the sun's and planet's gravity wells or whatever), so it was mostly avoided or even prohibited. But not impossible.

That was always my understanding too. Not recommended, but not impossible or forbidden.

Didn't they establish this in TMP ? I seem to recall when the Enterprise left Kirk said they had to wait until outside the solar system before going to warp.

Yep, although I think Kirk said that to intercept V'Ger in time, they had to risk going to warp before they had left the solar system, a procedure that apparently isn't often done.

 

[blaXXer]

Why is it that of of late i've been seeing ships go to warp near planets, which are inside Solar Systems?

Correct me if i'm wrong (which i'm not) but in the episode (cant think of it or find the name anywhere, but you'll know what i'm talking about) inwhich the changling Dr Bashir is about to destroy Bajors sun. Kira tells Dax to go to warp, but Dax responds with: "We cant go to warp inside a Solar System" where Kira replies with "If we don't there wont be a Solar System anymore"

Well clearly JJ and his team of first time Trek writers are not entirely familiar with the whole Trek thing and Jargon. And I suppose rules and System laws.

But if you can understand it just doesn't all add up in the long run.

Any thoughts???

If a Bird of Prey can go to warp inside the earths atmosphere, why do you yell?

 

[Sci]

Why is it that of of late i've been seeing ships go to warp near planets, which are inside Solar Systems?

Correct me if i'm wrong (which i'm not) but in the episode (cant think of it or find the name anywhere, but you'll know what i'm talking about) inwhich the changling Dr Bashir is about to destroy Bajors sun. Kira tells Dax to go to warp, but Dax responds with: "We cant go to warp inside a Solar System" where Kira replies with "If we don't there wont be a Solar System anymore"

Well clearly JJ and his team of first time Trek writers are not entirely familiar with the whole Trek thing and Jargon. And I suppose rules and System laws.

Or they've decided that that particular rule inhibited storytelling and disregarded it.

 

[buzzknox]

There is a law of warp physics that states the danger of insystem warping is directly proportional to the needs of the plot. If the plot requires dramatic tension, insystem warp is dangerous. A corollary is that if there is already dramatic tension, then insystem warp (even warp from within a planetary or solar atmosphere) is allowed.

 

[scotthm]

Why is it that of of late i've been seeing ships go to warp near planets, which are inside Solar Systems?

Any thoughts???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_SGXx3pLzs

It worked 25 years ago in ST III.

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[Tomalak]

Perhaps warp technology changed between TOS and TMP, because in TOS the Enterprise was always "warping out of orbit". We hear that exact line in "The Menagerie". How many times did we hear "take us out of orbit...ahead warp factor two"?

I'm sure they say "blast out of orbit" in an early TOS episode too. The old lingo was so much cooler than the more sterile stuff of the later years.

 

[Tentacle]

This quote from Paris comes to mind: "Faster than light, no left and right."

I always assumed that warp speed is so fast that they can only go in 1 direction, and cant make any course corrections until they drop out of warp.