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If You were Making Star Trek?
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McQuarrie's Enterprise design would be a good jumping-off place for thinking about what the ship should look like in any new incarnation - there's a guy who's done a wonderful elaboration of it over at www.scifi-meshes.com. I'll post the link but unfortunately you have to be a member to see most of the images:
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/showthread.php?73811-Planet-of-the-Titans-Enterprise
It's a start, but a lot more detailed thinking about the practical engineering aspects of the ship should go into it, again ala Avatar.
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/showthread.php?73811-Planet-of-the-Titans-Enterprise
It's a start, but a lot more detailed thinking about the practical engineering aspects of the ship should go into it, again ala Avatar.
Withers
Captain
I'd rather they made it appeal to the Halo generation than the He-haw and Beverly Hillbillies generation.
You should work for Fox. They're pretty good at chopping up quotes and butchering intent too. I'd say Comedy Central but they're obviously, ya know, funny. : |
-Withers-
Kirk said that Rayna was a woman, and Rayna died of a broken heart. 
I would like to preface the post by saying I mean no disrespect towards the guy who designed the Enterprise from Planet of the Titans or you but,
You Want The to use the starship Fuglyprise for a trek movie?
Also I know adding detail can make things look better, but you can add as much detail to that abomination as you want but it will probably still look like a piece of crap cross between a Constitution and a Star Destroyer.
I think for Star Trek coming back to the small screen would have to be as reimagined as possible while still remaining Star Trek. Adifferent crew, a different ship - ion powered and a reason why all aliens speak English. Hey Dennis, how about some transhuman authorities?
I think things are at the point now where no one is going to bat an eye about aliens speaking English. And why an ion powered ship? Warp drive is fine.
Far easier to just fashion a wholly original series that is its own thing.
Naw, I want to play in the Star Trek sandbox. Not that other one where those Transformer bullies took some of the original sand with them and made it their own, no. I want the original big sand box. I want to add, create and leave my own great castle along with all the other castles!
I've seen quite a bit of truly stellar work come out of Sci-fi meshes (both Trek related and not), but I have to go with Hartzilla here. That thing IS sorta... well, fugly. Not sure there's a better word. I look at the overall shape and I can't help but think of a Constitution that was partially flattened in some horrendous, implausible accident.I would like to preface the post by saying I mean no disrespect towards the guy who designed the Enterprise from Planet of the Titans or you but,
You Want The to use the starship Fuglyprise for a trek movie?
Funny, this is what I've always said about the original TOS Enterprise.
Except, replace "piece of crap cross between a Constitution and a Star Destroyer" with "silly toy ship that screams 'RETRO SCI-FI'". Well, ok; I also wouldn't call the TOS Ent an "abomination". I think it's ugly, but not THAT ugly.
Yeah, the UT - despite how ridiculous it is when you really stop and think about it - has pretty much been accepted as part of the Trekverse. For better or worse, this setting is one where communication between individuals who have not learnt each other's languages is simply not a problem (except when it IS a problem, on those rare occasions when a new language is "too complex" for the UT to decipher right away, or whatever the explanation is.
)As for warp drive, it's fine to a point. I would think that using a matter/anti-matter reaction for pure power generation would be viable for quite some time (that's a HELL of a power source, after all), but as a method of interstellar propulsion, the warp drive must either be drastically improved, or supplanted, ultimately (assuming one is talking about a post-Nemesis time frame). Other (superior) methods of travel have already been demonstrated in Trek, and in the post-DS9/Nemesis novel continuity, Starfleet has successfully field tested a slipstream drive.
That's what I would do, by the way, if I were in charge: I already have several Trek story ideas that I've been cooking up for years. They all take place in the 2390's, incorporate some of the novelverse (mainly the DS9 relaunch and the Destiny trilogy, including the post-Destiny fallout stuff) into the backstory, and explore some new ideas (such as the aforementioned slipstream drive. The thing is successfully tested in 2381; by the 2390s, I imagine the technology is fairly widespread throughout Starfleet, and has replaced warp drive as the go-to method of propulsion for the REALLY deep-space assignments). Turning one or more of those ideas into a new show is the path I would take. Realistically, of course, I know that even getting non-canon but official novels published (through PocketBooks) would be anything but easy; I have no illusions that there is really even a snowball's chance in hell that any of my stuff will ever become a new Trek TV series (or movie). But the question was, "If", so...
This depends on the idea, of course, but can be very true. Yes, it's important not to rehash; yes, doing something fresh and original can definitely be a good thing... but you go too far in that direction, and eventually you hit a point where there's no real reason to set it in Trek (or in any other pre-existing setting, really). At that point, you're better off with something entirely new. It can be a fine line, and of course, in this case I'm not sure preciesly what xortex meant by "as reimagined as possible".
EDIT: Almost forgot about this!
I certainly won't call you silly, especially since this is something I'm doing myself. All of my story ideas involve Starfleet crews in which the females outnumber the males by roughly the same ratio that the shows tend to use (only in reverse, of course).
For some who profess to love Star Trek they also seem hellbent into morphing it into something else. It's far more honest and more creatively liberating to just fashion something wholly original.
The very first thing I'd do is ash-heap the reboot. Gone. Bye-bye. Y'wanna make Star Trek? Do it in the Star Trek Universe. End of line.
Warped9 said:
Absolutely Right.
Ironically, J.J. Abrams said it best: “I figure if you re-imagine something you should just imagine something else." Shame he lacked the courage of that conviction.
As to what I would do, I think something in the era of the Enterprise-B would be appropriate, whether on that ship or on another. A "Vanguard" project might also be fun. I also don't think I'd want to do a weekly series. But telefilms, or even a more appropriate theatrical film, might be a good way to go.
Best,
Alex
He was honest enough. He kept the core of Trek, which is essentially, "the early 60s notion of modern secular liberalism, as embodied by Starfleet, conquers the universe." As long as you keep that element, you can drag it hither an yon and still be Trek. A lot of the re-imagining ideas have no political element, so it's hard to judge whether they would stay true to the core of Trek or ignore/destroy it. Trek is not a certain species, look for the spaceships, plotline, time period or technology. It is a certain view of the proper political alignment for all sentient species.
TOS also had a modicum of intelligence. Abrams left that out too.
Holy Shit, Babylon 5 was Star Trek?
Enough prequels and reboots. A completely new series set about 200 years after Nemesis, when even the longest-lived Vulcan who was an adult in any previous story has been dust for decades.
It's not realistic from an audience POV, but if I could decide everything, I'd have an alien captain (species yet to be determined), possibly with a female XO. At least half of the crew and most of the bridge crew would be non-human. For budget reasons the show would be animated rather than live action... The Federation would exist, but with quantum drive so that they could visit any inhabited planet in the galaxy within a reasonable travel time, say a year from one end of the galaxy to the other. The main threat to the federation would come from the Andromeda galaxy, with all its implications on future technical developments...
It's not realistic from an audience POV, but if I could decide everything, I'd have an alien captain (species yet to be determined), possibly with a female XO. At least half of the crew and most of the bridge crew would be non-human. For budget reasons the show would be animated rather than live action... The Federation would exist, but with quantum drive so that they could visit any inhabited planet in the galaxy within a reasonable travel time, say a year from one end of the galaxy to the other. The main threat to the federation would come from the Andromeda galaxy, with all its implications on future technical developments...
I would like to preface the post by saying I mean no disrespect towards the guy who designed the Enterprise from Planet of the Titans or you but,
You Want The to use the starship Fuglyprise for a trek movie?
Also I know adding detail can make things look better, but you can add as much detail to that abomination as you want but it will probably still look like a piece of crap cross between a Constitution and a Star Destroyer.
First, just because you don't like it and call it the "Fuglyprise" doesn't make that so.
If I were going to do Trek, I'd like the ship to have some believability and a chance of being accepted as a real spacecraft - and that, frankly, means no more oldTrek stuff.
McQuarrie's probably isn't the way to go, but at least it's a start. Get the people who worked on Avatar in and ask them to design, you know, a spaceship that looks like it would work and see what they can come up with.
Either do something really different and more plausible or just leave the damned Franchise alone. Stop pretending that 1964 represents a gold standard that the studio should throw money at and that audiences should genuflect to. Abrams is already making excellent Star Trek within the broad confines of Trek and I don't think the studio needs fans mucking about with the minutiae.
Even Babylon 5 wasn't Babylon 5.
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