If You were Making Star Trek?

[Zakk]

Hey guys this is my first official thread, so to kick it off I wanna ask you all this one Question, If Paramount Pictures ask you to make the next Star Trek film What would you gives us an reboot, an sequel , or something totally different what your take?, outta what tv series would you make an movie out of.

 

[Warped9]

They've just rebooted Trek so the possibility of another creative approach is nil. They're gonna let Abrams run with this as long as he makes them money.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I'd throw out everything except the premise and the characterisations from the first dozen episodes of TOS - and by "everything" I mean most visual design.

We need the Enterprise, we need Kirk and Spock and McCoy, and by inference some version of the Vulcans - although perhaps the less said about the Vulcans the better.. Do we need the Federation and all of the other silly established "alien races" of oldTrek? Not at all.

Then I'd have the creative talent (I'm the producer, not the director or a designer or musician, etc) build the whole thing over based on looking at real world design and at major science fiction films of the last half century without reference to Star Trek.

And the whole thing could do with a hefty dose of Avatar.

"They did it that way in old Trek" would never be an excuse, much less a "reason," for anything.

 

[Zakk]

They've just rebooted Trek so the possibility of another creative approach is nil. They're gonna let Abrams run with this as long as he makes them money.

Well yeah, they only rebooted the orignal series, but what about the other four star trek tv series.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

They've just rebooted Trek so the possibility of another creative approach is nil. They're gonna let Abrams run with this as long as he makes them money.

Well yeah, they only rebooted the orignal series, but what about the other four star trek tv series.

The other four series are rebooted by implication. Abrams' Trek exists in another reality - that's how I think of it, not timeline - realities have multiple timelines which can be set and reset, but a reality is a baseline that isn't going to change.

We had one baseline situation with TOS-TNG-DS9-VOY (ENT still exists in both realities, like it or not , but is presumably the same both places). The timeline was futzed with many times, but went back to the same baseline. Now we have a new reality and new baseline. If there are more reset-button time travel adventures in the new reality, so be it, but they'll end up being set right back to the baseline.

In theory, we could have TNG, DS9 and VOY, with many of the same characters and situations but without knowing exactly how the story plays out. I would actually love to see all that. DS9 might have been great the first time thru, but there are other paths the story could have taken. VOY could greatly benefit from a big ole do-over.

The original TOS-TNG-DS9-VOY is still merrily rolling along in its own reality, so don't fret about that. And it might continue to roll along in novels, but I don't expect to see it soon again on the big screen or small.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The original TOS-TNG-DS9-VOY is still merrily rolling along in its own reality...

Not "reality." Pop fantasy doesn't get to have "it's own reality." It's just rolling along in a different story continuity.

 

[Shazam!]

I'd make it the weirdest show on TV. It'd look like the 60s show in that it'd be heavily stylised and their would be robot women and multi-coloured planets with talking plants and glowing space blobs that like fucking around with your head for a laugh.

 

[Admiral2]

A reboot that made sense.

A reboot that didn't suck.

A reboot that didn't jump around like a five year old bustin' to pee.

A reboot that made space travel look like space travel and not a cosmic slip and slide.

In other words, a reboot nothing like the overblown shit we just got.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

The original TOS-TNG-DS9-VOY is still merrily rolling along in its own reality...

Not "reality." Pop fantasy doesn't get to have "it's own reality." It's just rolling along in a different story continuity.

Are you the pop fantasy god who decides what pop fantasy does or doesn't get? Obviously, pop fantasy gets whatever the writers of that pop fantasy want it to get. That ain't you.

It's all just semantics anyway. Reality = story continuity. You could call the reality a "timeline" too if you choose. I'm avoiding that just because Trek changes timelines all over the place. A "reality" is not going to be changed, simply because it would confuse the audience too much.

 

[Warped9]

The other four series don't matter, and sorry if some people are hurt hearing that. I'm not sure even TNG has enough cache to get anyone seriously interested in it again. As for the other three, beyond books I'd say their day is done--there just isn't enough interest beyond hardcore fans.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Are you the pop fantasy god who decides what pop fantasy does or doesn't get?

Yes I am.

One can file a complaint if that's a problem, but one has to use the phone tree and I don't generally check my voicemail anyway. So I may or may not get back to you, depending on my mood.

There's a difference between reality and what happens in any TV show, movie or fiction, you know. Distinguishing between different fantasies by calling them "different realities" is like saying that a trout is a different kind of bird than an oriole.

 

[Withers]

"They did it that way in old Trek" would never be an excuse, much less a "reason," for anything.

That would be my overall statement on the entire production. I'd never let converse idea stop me from doing anything either. I think I'd just keep it going- assuming it were handed to me as it is right now, I'd take the STU down the "prime" timeline path, ignoring Abrams' alternative universe entirely.

I'm just not done with that Universe yet and I think there are still interesting stories to be told and profitable ways to tell them.

-Withers-​

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The so-called "Prime universe" is outdated and conceptually fossilized beyond any hope of redemption - Abrams has managed to resurrect and even energize Star Trek a bit, but without radical modernization and a healthy disregard for precedent all they'll just have to restart it over and over and over from now on...

 

[Kelso]

I'd snag the rights to R.M. Meluch's Tour of the Merrimack series and slap Star Trek on the title.

 

[Zakk]

I don't understand why people think that its to late bring in other trek reboots, just because abrams rebooted the orignal series, dose it mean its doom for the rest of other trek series, we all know that DS9 was airing when the TNG was airing also, so why the hell not.

 

[Warped9]

I don't understand why people think that its to late bring in other trek reboots, just because abrams rebooted the orignal series, dose it mean its doom for the rest of other trek series, we all know that DS9 was airing when the TNG was airing also, so why the hell not.

Because there's no mainstream interest. It may hurt to hear that, but it is what it is.

 

[Shazam!]

The so-called "Prime universe" is outdated and conceptually fossilized beyond any hope of redemption

Bollocks. They could have just as easily set Trek XI in the prime universe by changing a few characters' names but the 'reboot' was predicated on cashing in the marketability of Kirk, Spock etc and the nostalgia factor of going to back to the well. It had nothing to do with conceptual fossilisation and everything to do with making money.

 

[Warped9]

The so-called "Prime universe" is outdated and conceptually fossilized beyond any hope of redemption - Abrams has managed to resurrect and even energize Star Trek a bit, but without radical modernization and a healthy disregard for precedent all they'll just have to restart it over and over and over from now on...

Bullshit. I could see any number of ways the original TOS continuity could have been continued or in the very least respected in a restart. Right now a lot of folks are jazzed by this mediocre effort because it somewhat resembles something familiar, just like they often get stoked about the least little thing and blowing it way out of proportion. I've seen it happen so many times before. But it is far from "the only way to do it."

For one thing I would have avoided the origin approach and just start into it in mid stride. If you don't want to talk about being a reboot then fine, but everything on the screen would scream restart anyway simply because it would look different.

 

[Withers]

Rubbish! (I just wanted to fit in by starting off with profanity).

I could see any number of ways the original TOS continuity could have been continued or in the very least respected in a restart.

I couldn't agree more; the way it was done wasn't the only way it could have been done. And just because it was done that way doesn't mean that's the only way that will ever succeed again. They did what they did to avoid major gaffes in cannon and I can appreciate that... but at the same time, can you imagine how limited the STU would be every series had gone down that route? It would be considered lazy and would probably be seen as ineffectual.

I hate the idea that the Abrams re-boot killed any chance of there ever being anything from the "prime" universe ever again. I don't think that has to be so. If they can make what was presented in his film successful they can cross apply the things that worked and do them on any Trek endeavor.

-Withers-​

 

[Zakk]

I don't understand why people think that its to late bring in other trek reboots, just because Abrams rebooted the original series, dose it mean its doom for the rest of other trek series, we all know that DS9 was airing when the TNG was airing also, so why the hell not.

Because there's no mainstream interest. It may hurt to hear that, but it is what it is.

no mainstream, its star trek for god sakes, There are millions of Trekkie's or trekkers who are dying to see there favorite shows get the silver screen treatment or rebooted.