If you found yourself aboard the Refitprise during TMP...

[Bry_Sinclair]

I would warn them, though would probably go to Spock and explain the situation to him in a calm and thought out manner, so that he could then deal with Kirk.

Ilia would be saved, Decker wouldn't need to sacrifice himself, V'ger could be stopped before it got into Earth orbit (thanks to the sacrifice of Ensign Ricky). Afterwards, Kirk would go back to HQ where he could get doughy behind a desk, Decker would resume his rightful command, Spock would return to Vulcan, McCoy would return to his civilian life and the new Enterprise crew could head out on many wonderful adventures.

 

[gastrof]

Re: If you found yourself aboard the Enterprise during TMP...

gastrof, we don't insult people's intelligence like that here. And we don't try to lure someone into a fight. Infraction for trolling, comments to PM, please.

Actually, as already said, nobody was insulted except perhaps me.

Nobody was lured into a fight. That's YOUR imagination running wild.

I'm not responsible for the thoughts and feelings of a phantom you've dreamed up in your imagination and then stamped my board name onto.

There WAS no trolling, except possibly an attempt to sabotage this thread.

I'm quite aware of how things are to be done on ANY message board, including this one, since it appears I've actually been here, oddly enough, since the day BEFORE you joined back in May of '01.

As for infractions, there's no legitimate one here, but perhaps there should be one in the case of a mod who abused their authority.

As for me replying in a PM, why? You made your attack on me in public, why would I not be able to reply in public?

You'd do well to take into account something-

What you imagine someone felt or was trying to do is not what they were feeling or doing. It's simply what YOU'RE imagining.

I'm not going to reply to any more of the responses in this thread, since a simple game has been ruined, including by you.

Favoritism, perhaps, on your part, where a personal friend is concerned, maybe?

You ought to be ashamed of yourself, and I'm owed an apology.

Doubt you'll give it.

 

[R. Star]

I would warn them, though would probably go to Spock and explain the situation to him in a calm and thought out manner, so that he could then deal with Kirk.

Ilia would be saved, Decker wouldn't need to sacrifice himself, V'ger could be stopped before it got into Earth orbit (thanks to the sacrifice of Ensign Ricky). Afterwards, Kirk would go back to HQ where he could get doughy behind a desk, Decker would resume his rightful command, Spock would return to Vulcan, McCoy would return to his civilian life and the new Enterprise crew could head out on many wonderful adventures.

Except... Khan hijacks Reliant and Genesis as normal. But not being able to lure Kirk in since he's behind a desk, he takes Reliant to Earth and uses the Genesis device just to kill Kirk. His reign on the New Terran Empire is glorious but alas short as the planet destabilizes and any escape is impossible due to the arrival of the whale probe. Once Praxis blows up, this leaves the Romulans as the dominant power in the region.

 

[Amaris]

Would you warn them that V'ger was going to take Ilia?

(I got a copy of the "special longer version" in the mail today, and have it running as I type. And yeah, I'm especially enjoying it. Been a long time.)

No, I wouldn't warn them. It is my opinion that sheer luck is what resulted in the prevention of Earth's destruction. Any deviation from the events that took place in TMP might result in destruction. So, no.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I would be more concerned about V'Ger in the Abramsverse, you know if there wasn't that comic book about how Nero already took care of it while waiting for Old Spock.

 

[cardinal biggles]

Since V'Ger didn't just want to transmit its data to Earth, but actually wanted to evolve, the capture of Ilia is a necessary step in Decker's ultimate decision to leave life as we know it and merge with the entity so he can have metaphysical nookie with his ex for the next several millennia. So no, I wouldn't warn them.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Except... Khan hijacks Reliant and Genesis as normal. But not being able to lure Kirk in since he's behind a desk, he takes Reliant to Earth and uses the Genesis device just to kill Kirk. His reign on the New Terran Empire is glorious but alas short as the planet destabilizes and any escape is impossible due to the arrival of the whale probe. Once Praxis blows up, this leaves the Romulans as the dominant power in the region.

Or...

Khan hijacks the Reliant and sets course for Earth, but Starfleet is tipped off by the lack of contact from the ship, so dispatches a fleet (spread out in a 3D pattern, since Khan apparantly can't adapt to the extra dimension) to intercept and engage the Reliant. The ship is destroyed light-years away from anywhere, the Genesis Planet isn't formed, David Marcus survives and both he and Saavik remain onboard the Enterprise when Decker takes it back to 1986 to recover humpback whales.

TFF is just completely forgotten about. Then due to his more enlightened mentality, Decker doesn't start in interstellar incident with the Klingons.

 

[Garak]

Just when you think a dumb shit thread couldn't get any dumber, this happens:

You ought to be ashamed of yourself, and I'm owed an apology.

 

[cooleddie74]

I like ST:TMP and it's been one of my favorite Trek films since I was a kid. I tend to enjoy theoretical "what if" discussion threads.

Your mean spirited ranting is an insult to both of those things. This could have been a halfway enjoyable and fun little discussion but no - you had to go ruin it with your childish, stupid and condescending behavior.

Nobody should apologize to you for anything.

Thanks for nothing.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

Re: If you found yourself aboard the Enterprise during TMP...

Disregarding insulting a commenter's intelligence, how do you gain the information that Ilia is going to be killed?...

Nobody was insulted.

Except maybe me.

I don't know, as was mentioned, if the reply was a deliberate giving of a hard time, if the individual was just plain refusing, for some reason, to join in with what the thread was obviously about, or WHAT was going on.

As for how you gain the info, again, it's YOU who finds yourself on the Enterprise. YOU, the real YOU.

You already know what's coming, because you're YOU.

Again, is this THAT hard a thing to grasp?

As for how you can relay this information, how you can get them to listen to you...

That's part of the problem now, isn't it?

Real classy. Perhaps you would like to kick a puppy while you're at it?

No, I think I'll leave that to you.

Wow, somebody needs to get out of their house more.


I can't help that you came up with a rather flawed idea. Don't get all mad and pissy at me for that.

EDIT: Hell, my question still stands, "How can anyone on the refit Enterprise know in advance that Ilia was going to be kidnapped by V'Ger?" They didn't even know who the hell V'Ger was or what it wanted. Now you think about that.

No, I think someone needs to read and think before replying more.

The idea isn't flawed, but the answer was, since there was no thinking about what the question was.

As for how you'd know, again, you're not paying attention.

YOU find yourself aboard the Enterprise. Again, YOU.

Do YOU know the plot of TMP? Yes? Well then, THAT is how you know, because you're YOU.

It was pretty easy to understand, if you just read the opening post.

You're amazing, dude, really.

gastrof, we don't insult people's intelligence like that here. And we don't try to lure someone into a fight. Infraction for trolling, comments to PM, please.

Actually, as already said, nobody was insulted except perhaps me.

Nobody was lured into a fight. That's YOUR imagination running wild.

I'm not responsible for the thoughts and feelings of a phantom you've dreamed up in your imagination and then stamped my board name onto.

There WAS no trolling, except possibly an attempt to sabotage this thread.

I'm quite aware of how things are to be done on ANY message board, including this one, since it appears I've actually been here, oddly enough, since the day BEFORE you joined back in May of '01.

As for infractions, there's no legitimate one here, but perhaps there should be one in the case of a mod who abused their authority.

As for me replying in a PM, why? You made your attack on me in public, why would I not be able to reply in public?

You'd do well to take into account something-

What you imagine someone felt or was trying to do is not what they were feeling or doing. It's simply what YOU'RE imagining.

I'm not going to reply to any more of the responses in this thread, since a simple game has been ruined, including by you.

Favoritism, perhaps, on your part, where a personal friend is concerned, maybe?

You ought to be ashamed of yourself, and I'm owed an apology.

Doubt you'll give it.

gastrof, you are clearly spoiling for a fight here. It is the policy of the TrekBBS to respond to infractions via PM also. If you don't like it, you are free to go elsewhere. A further infraction for trolling has been given.

 

[Gaith]

I don't care which ship, event or alternate reality we're talking about - if I somehow found myself aboard the Enterprise, I'd demand to be let off at the nearest starbase, and hitch my way to Risa from there.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

I'd put NASA's Voyager 6 transmission code on loud speakers, catch V'Ger off guard, and cause the whole ship/cloud thing to dissipate in an instant, also saving the life of Captain Decker.

 

[Admiral2]

Would you warn them that V'ger was going to take Ilia?

That depends: do I appear on the ship in the scene where Scotty's bringing Kirk to the spacedock, so my first experience is sitting through five minutes and change of interminable 2001-wannabe symphony music before I get to talk to somebody useful?

 

[cheesepuff316]

Same idea but slightly different situation.
TNG Season 1 Finale - The Neutral Zone
What if you were one of the people they woke up, but being a ST fan, you knew them and what is going to happen?
How weird would you feel!!!

 

[BillJ]

I'd probably check with my Doctor and make sure my dosage of Prozac and Valium didn't need adjusted before doing anything else...

 

[R. Star]

Same idea but slightly different situation.
TNG Season 1 Finale - The Neutral Zone
What if you were one of the people they woke up, but being a ST fan, you knew them and what is going to happen?
How weird would you feel!!!

Take the job of managing Ten Forward before that Guinan person gets there. I'd be the ultimate wise person too, since I know how every episode ends.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Same idea but slightly different situation.
TNG Season 1 Finale - The Neutral Zone
What if you were one of the people they woke up, but being a ST fan, you knew them and what is going to happen?
How weird would you feel!!!

You wouldn't be a ST fan since Star Trek doesn't exist in the ST Universe.

 

[cooleddie74]

But Conan O'Brien and the Three Stooges do (see Enterprise).

If both Triumph the Insult Comic Dog and the Curly Shuffle exist in the Trek universe of both timelines that's a pretty good start.

 

[lurok]

I could finally put all that useless Shakespeare got stored up to good use.

 

[Candlelight]

I would warn them, though would probably go to Spock and explain the situation to him in a calm and thought out manner, so that he could then deal with Kirk.

Ilia would be saved, Decker wouldn't need to sacrifice himself, V'ger could be stopped before it got into Earth orbit (thanks to the sacrifice of Ensign Ricky). Afterwards, Kirk would go back to HQ where he could get doughy behind a desk, Decker would resume his rightful command, Spock would return to Vulcan, McCoy would return to his civilian life and the new Enterprise crew could head out on many wonderful adventures.

Except... Khan hijacks Reliant and Genesis as normal. But not being able to lure Kirk in since he's behind a desk, he takes Reliant to Earth and uses the Genesis device just to kill Kirk. His reign on the New Terran Empire is glorious but alas short as the planet destabilizes and any escape is impossible due to the arrival of the whale probe. Once Praxis blows up, this leaves the Romulans as the dominant power in the region.

...until their star goes nova...