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If you aren't familiar with metre/meters and so on...

Saying "I'm five eight" is easier and quicker than "I'm one point seven two meters tall."

These arguments based on the units "sounding good" are weak. I can't count the number of people who have told me that the US/Imperial system is better because it "just sounds right." For example, they say the Fahrenheit scale is "natural" because when you say 100, you get a sense that's hot (because 100 is a big number, get it). Of course, when I turn around and apply the same argument to speeds in km/h, I'm told "Well.... 60 *is* fast!"...
 
It would help to say "five feet eight inches" instead of "five eight"

Maybe not so much in that case, but in "it's 50 degrees" it would.
 
Even from a very rudimentary understanding as I have, it would seem that the significance contained in a certain tongue's idiomatic expressions for instance, often tells volumes about the history and culture of the people speaking it, even if such nuggets may have to be accreted in very small increments.
Sure. There's lots and lots of information like that out there - about 99.999% of it lost for good in the course of history because nobody really cares, and the process still continuing. Cultural quirks die, others are born, and hopefully the process allows mankind to gyrate towards greater mutual understanding. We just have to pay the price of lost diversity, but it's a trivial price to pay when we remember we have already paid it trillionfold in the past, and are still doing pretty well, thank you.

Scholars may continue to study and perhaps enjoy the various idiosyncrasies of dead subcultures. It doesn't follow that such subcultures would need to be resurrected - ancient Greek poetry can still be enjoyed through rudimentary understanding of the words used (or, indeed, through translations), without involving any further elements of ancient Greek culture, and may perhaps be better enjoyed in the context of some other culture altogether.

The reference to inferior languages based on particularly tortuous syntactical or grammatical hierarchies might as easily obscure fascinating insights into peculiar patterns a certain population's geography, climate, or political conflicts act to shape their communications as simply betray an obdurate or perverse propensity for obscurantism.
I could understand perhaps half the words you used. Were you actually saying something?

No insult, sarcasm or attempt at humor intended. It's just that we just hit a language barrier, which IMHO is pretty damn annoying.

Would you similarly consign the historic struggles to vitally maintain Gaelic, Basque, or the languages spoken in the Soviet dominated Baltic states as being personal, unimportant, or otherwise of no particular account?
Of course. Let the scholars worry about such things if they have any interest. Nobody really cares about little lives, despite the occasional contrary claim; ranting and raving about preserving select aspects of cultural identity doesn't change that.

To say nothing of the speech of all those indigenous cultures in so many parts of the world almost completely put to the sword, the effort to recover some representation of which signifies an outsize proportion of salvaging a vestige of identity for those relative handful of descendants still amongst the living.
Not only is the effort of obsessive preservation futile, it's also hypocritical, as identities like that die with the people associating themselves with them. You can't inherit an identity - that's a blatant contradiction in terms. You aren't doing any favors to past people or peoples by pretending that you respect them through preservation of their language, walking style or handicraft.

As mentioned in the earlier post, though, all that is sort of academic: while cultures and customs and languages die, they are also born, and the birth rate far outstrips the death rate. After all, identity is born with the individual, and there are more of us today than there were yesterday.

Hopefully, we are a bit less diverse tomorrow, too, as what we have today is frankly quite ridiculous in scope. Language is a great barrier between us, and even a shared language is often an insurmountable obstacle. Why make a bad jam worse?

Timo Saloniemi
 
Uh? Aren't you Brazilian? How you don't know how to use metric measurements?
I do know how to use metric measurements to a good degree. My question was how do people in "metric countries" express themselves conversationally. Timo said that in his experience " more people tend to say 178 cm." I was wondering if people usually felt the need to add the cm (centimeters) to the figure sighted, or just use the numbers.

If someone asked me "how fast are you driving" I could say "sixty-five" without personally feeling the need to add "miles per hour."

And I'm Brasilian of my father's side.

:)
 
Oh, sorry. I thought you were Brazilian, as in being born and raised in Brazil, instead of being an American with Brazilian relatives. Which is why I was surprised you didn't know how metric measurements are used in actual conversations.

Now it's much clearer.

:)
 
The metric system is more of a nuisance in the U.S. than it is necessary knowledge. I know metric length/distance intuitively but am barely cognizant of weights and volumes.

But would you become more cognisant of them if you used them daily? I suspect that you would. If you were dealing in Kg's day in day out you would seen become familiar with them.

Of course. Since I have little use for metric weights and volumes in my daily life, however, the point's moot.
 
Uh? Aren't you Brazilian? How you don't know how to use metric measurements?
I do know how to use metric measurements to a good degree. My question was how do people in "metric countries" express themselves conversationally. Timo said that in his experience " more people tend to say 178 cm." I was wondering if people usually felt the need to add the cm (centimeters) to the figure sighted, or just use the numbers.

If someone asked me "how fast are you driving" I could say "sixty-five" without personally feeling the need to add "miles per hour."

And I'm Brasilian of my father's side.

:)

Sure in conversation you might drop the mph or cm, but when written you should always use mph or cm or C etc.. To denote the scale you are using.
 
Sure. There's lots and lots of information like that out there - about 99.999% of it lost for good in the course of history because nobody really cares, and the process still continuing. Cultural quirks die, others are born, and hopefully the process allows mankind to gyrate towards greater mutual understanding. We just have to pay the price of lost diversity, but it's a trivial price to pay when we remember we have already paid it trillionfold in the past, and are still doing pretty well, thank you.


Scholars may continue to study and perhaps enjoy the various idiosyncrasies of dead subcultures. It doesn't follow that such subcultures would need to be resurrected - ancient Greek poetry can still be enjoyed through rudimentary understanding of the words used (or, indeed, through translations), without involving any further elements of ancient Greek culture, and may perhaps be better enjoyed in the context of some other culture altogether.

Of course. Let the scholars worry about such things if they have any interest. Nobody really cares about little lives, despite the occasional contrary claim; ranting and raving about preserving select aspects of cultural identity doesn't change that.


Not only is the effort of obsessive preservation futile, it's also hypocritical, as identities like that die with the people associating themselves with them. You can't inherit an identity - that's a blatant contradiction in terms. You aren't doing any favors to past people or peoples by pretending that you respect them through preservation of their language, walking style or handicraft.


As mentioned in the earlier post, though, all that is sort of academic: while cultures and customs and languages die, they are also born, and the birth rate far outstrips the death rate. After all, identity is born with the individual, and there are more of us today than there were yesterday.

Hopefully, we are a bit less diverse tomorrow, too, as what we have today is frankly quite ridiculous in scope. Language is a great barrier between us, and even a shared language is often an insurmountable obstacle. Why make a bad jam worse?

Timo Saloniemi


I'm glad that you took some time to seriously respond to my comments about your statement on lanaguage diversity. I still find your perspective, even expounded upon as you have done, to be rather cavalier. No, I don't have an interest, or think many other people do either, to assume the mantle of identity of some individual representative of a culture that has long since shuffled off this mortal coil.


However, I do think an appreciation of what made that culture distinctive, as marked by their peculiar language, is something that many non-scholars can and do possess more than a momentary passing interest in pursuing. To have the opportunity to glean how a group of people, distant perhaps in both time and geography from one's own, view elements of life with a wildly different perspective than what one is accustomed to, or even aware of, through the rich prism of their speech needn't be seen as a passion of only the rareified expert.


If the intellectual satisfaction that such contemplation avails to even the layperson seems insignificant, then consider further the greater emphasis and impression that such lingual artifacts can impart to the lessons that that culture's demise, either through their own folly or misadventure by others, can teach us today about negotiating the many perils we face dealing with our own future. Such stories that are told, in their own words and idiom, might well have a much more bracing and immediate impact than reading or hearing that content in our own language, ususally composed at a considerable remove from the original events.


I suppose I hesitate to merely accede to the incessant drumbeat of the future, at least in this matter, and accept whole cloth as you seem to, the unmediated virtue, in all measures, of the desire to strive for an ever greater homogenity to be found in a corporate system of communications and expression.
 
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