If Trek XI ends in the new timeline?

[Lord Garth]

I think ST XI should stay in the new timeline because otherwise the TOS-era becomes the TMP-era becomes the TWOK-era becomes the TNG-era.

If Star Trek continues, then why go through all these eras we've already seen again? If it's going to be an alternate timeline then it should be an alternate timeline.

I'd prefer if it were completely parallel though. Star Trek still takes place far sooner than it should. Even if we achieve FTL travel, there's no way I see the Federation existing in just a little over 150 years. And I don't see how we could develop the means for FTL travel within 54 years even if we discovered FTL travel were possible. Star Trek should take place further in the future. I've been arguing this since 2003 and was thinking of a possible Series VI at the time but my argument applies to ST XI as well.

That and, even though they won't be addressed, there are still those pesky 1990s Eugenics Wars.

Not that I'm of the opinion "it can't be good if it's not a complete and total reboot!" but I think there should've been a hard reboot like Batman Begins and nBSG instead of a soft reboot like the one we're getting for ST XI and we had for Superman Returns.

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Though I'm curious about how the original movies would play out in this new universe. V'Ger and The Probe mostly.

 

[Admiral James Kirk]

Sounds like terrible writing to me, but then any writing that brings a dead guy back to life would involve terrible writing.

Hmmm...

I know this wasn't aimed at me but...

I know I should be the bigger man but...

I was paid to write a story about bringing a guy back to life...

That story was published...

The feedback I got on that story was largely positive so...

I have only two words to say in reply to such a retarded post.

Those words are: fuck and you.

That is all.

 

[BillJ]

I don't think the possible sequels to this film would have the need to include TNG-era-only races. I think they will do just fine with existing TOS aliens, or create new ones (even if there wasn't a "new timeline").

As for Enterprise and the Ferengi...There's a lot to criticize when it comes to that TV series, but I think Enterprise is unfairly criticized for having Ferengi on the show. The Ferengi aliens' race were never identified, so no contunuity was compromised. If someone wants to criticize Enterprise for that, then they should criticize Deep Space Nine for the episode Little Green Men that showed humans having contact with the Ferengi in 1947. That situation was no different.

Yeah... the Captain of a starship forgot to ask who they were.

 

[Captain Robert April]

For the record, "The Return" is the biggest selling Star Trek novel of all time. In fact, all of the Shatner Trek novels outsell the other Trek novels.

"Moby Dick" is about a crazy old guy who blames a white whale for the loss of his leg. Sounds pretty crappy, doesn't it?

 

[M'Sharak]

Sounds like terrible writing to me, but then any writing that brings a dead guy back to life would involve terrible writing.

Hmmm...

I know this wasn't aimed at me but...

I know I should be the bigger man but...

I was paid to write a story about bringing a guy back to life...

That story was published...

The feedback I got on that story was largely positive so...

I have only two words to say in reply to such a retarded post.

Those words are: fuck and you.

That is all.

Not only did you mess up your quote tags -- graciously corrected by me, at no additional charge -- you really should have stuck with being the bigger man. As it stands, one for flaming. Comments to PM.

 

[Captain Robert April]

Gotta admit, though, it was a well deserved flame.

 

[Son_of_Soong]

What have I walked into...

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

What have I walked into...

Nothing either new or interesting.

 

[BenRoethig]

I think the Federation is going to be much more powerful after Nero's alterations in the timeline. I think out of this, the Federation is going to have no problems with races like the Klingons or Romulans, it could very well change the face of the galaxy as we know it, the Federation is going to be one tough fleet to contend with.

Spoiler: spoiler laden response.

The Enterprise may be the fleet after Nero destroys most of it in at vulcan. If the new timeline stays, it may look a look more like BSG or Starship Troopers going forward. There will be no five year mission because whatever resources the Federation has left will be devoted to defending the borders rather than seeking out new life.

 

[Captain Robert April]

^ And Star Trek's transformation into a sprawling space epic like Star Wars will be complete.

 

[M'Sharak]

Gotta admit, though, it was a well deserved flame.

Eh, not really. It was just a dumb remark, better ignored.

 

[Brent]

I think the Federation is going to be much more powerful after Nero's alterations in the timeline. I think out of this, the Federation is going to have no problems with races like the Klingons or Romulans, it could very well change the face of the galaxy as we know it, the Federation is going to be one tough fleet to contend with.

Spoiler: spoiler laden response.

The Enterprise may be the fleet after Nero destroys most of it in at vulcan. If the new timeline stays, it may look a look more like BSG or Starship Troopers going forward. There will be no five year mission because whatever resources the Federation has left will be devoted to defending the borders rather than seeking out new life.

Perhaps, I guess either outcome is possible at this point since we don't know how it ends. Either way it would be different, and perhaps for the future of Trek something grand to look forward to in future movies.

 

[The Academic]

What have I walked into...

Nothing either new or interesting.

To quote Homer Simpson... 'You are all nuts!'

 

[The Academic]

[...] either outcome is possible at this point since we don't know how it ends. Either way it would be different, and perhaps for the future of Trek something grand to look forward to in future movies.

Filled to the brim with the serenity of my Vulcan mind, I only want to add 'We take what is given'...

 

[wjaspers]

[FONT=Arial]This is what Bob Orci had to say on the matter:[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial]Bob: You will notice that whenever the movie comes out, that whatever DVDs you have purchased, will continue to exist. [/FONT]

Also read a comment of him somewhere, where he said, the end of the movie will be the beginning of the events of TOS.

Confusing? to me, yes, guess I will find out in May

 

[USS Triumphant]

the TMP-era becomes the TWOK-era

Completely to one side, but is it wrong that every time I see that latter acronym, I think 'ewok', and then when I straighten it out in my head, I see Khan as an Ewok?

 

[Lord Garth]

^ Now that you mention it...

 

[cooleddie74]

A few people have said that there's one huge-ass reboot at the end of the film and things get reset to a more familiar timeline pattern...but to be honest I have no clue. Might be true. Might not. Leaving the Abrams TREK in a slightly altered timeline lets him get away with more movies and stories that don't have to be rigidly tied to older canon and respect all the continuity of past films and TV episodes. But if an all-new timeline persists into the forseeable future of the franchise and Series #6 is based on it, then it opens up a much bigger can of worms down the road.

 

[xortex]

A few people have said that there's one huge-ass reboot at the end of the film and things get reset to a more familiar timeline pattern...but to be honest I have no clue. Might be true. Might not. Leaving the Abrams TREK in a slightly altered timeline lets him get away with more movies and stories that don't have to be rigidly tied to older canon and respect all the continuity of past films and TV episodes. But if an all-new timeline persists into the forseeable future of the franchise and Series #6 is based on it, then it opens up a much bigger can of worms down the road.

I hope you like worms and sausages. Here, bend over.

 

[cooleddie74]

A few people have said that there's one huge-ass reboot at the end of the film and things get reset to a more familiar timeline pattern...but to be honest I have no clue. Might be true. Might not. Leaving the Abrams TREK in a slightly altered timeline lets him get away with more movies and stories that don't have to be rigidly tied to older canon and respect all the continuity of past films and TV episodes. But if an all-new timeline persists into the forseeable future of the franchise and Series #6 is based on it, then it opens up a much bigger can of worms down the road.

I hope you like worms and sausages. Here, bend over.

Ouch.

Personally, I've mentally accepted the overwhelming likelihood that the old TOS timeline now exists in a separate continuum and the new movies and sixth TV series will happen in the new timeline set up by Old Spock and Nero. It's not what I wanted. But Paramount is determined to tweak the franchise to sex/jazz it up a bit so it's more popular with rank and file audiences, so the Abramsverse and Abramsprise seem to be what we're likely to get for the forseeable future.