If there were a 2nd Dominion War

[nx1701g]

how come those torpedoes haven't been taken away by the SF from the future, temporal directive and all that? The whole Voyager ending is BS imo, bunch of deux ex machina's woudn't have happened if you take previous series into consideration

In the first Voyager Relaunch novel they were taken away.

In the Destiny trilogy the Torpedoes were reactivated and redistributed to Starfleet ships.

Not only that but they (torpedoes) were shared with the Klingons and possibly one of the Romulan states. The Borg adapted eventually but what about Starfleet, etc, would the torpedoes be just as devastating against them as they were initially against the Borg? Or does Starfleet know how to stop them from easily penetrating their shields?

I seem to recall a paragraph in the novel that said something to the effect that they worked against the Borg because they Borg didn't have shields around the cubes.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Don't think any of the Voyager superweapons would show up since all of those were, by definition, one-shot plot devices that were winked out of existence by futureJaneway's reset button.

I do however believe (or hope) that Starfleet would get over itself and start using cloaking technology on its Defiant class vessels to disrupt Dominion supply lines, destroy their shipyards and suppress their war effort to the point that they don't end up killing billions of people. Since this is post Nemesis, I think we can safety say "fuck the Romulans, let's go WIN." Plus the technology to fire while cloaked has been developed and perfected, and it's just a matter of time before Starfleet comes up with their own version.

A second Dominion War would look very different from the first, that much is for sure. The motivations will be different, as will the battle lines; very likely that Starfleet will wind up using Borg transwarp conduits to bypass the wormhole and attack the Dominion in their own territory the second time around.

 

[Jono]

I seem to recall a paragraph in the novel that said something to the effect that they worked against the Borg because they Borg didn't have shields around the cubes.

Borg ships have to have shields for them to adapt so that weapons fire has no effect.

I can't remember the exact explanation but it had something to do with sending the torpedo or explosion into a random and different phase so that it could pass through Borg shields. Their random variations meant the Borg had great difficultly adapting as each torpedo would phase differently or something like that. I think there is an explanation over in Trek literature, probably in one of the Destiny review threads.

 

[Phily B]

I like to think that they destroyed the weapons, and classified everything involving Voyager.

 

[Aquehonga]

I doubt there'd be a Second War between the Feds & the Dough Boys anyway.

What with Odo their King now & all

If Fed/Dough Boy War II happened I'd prefer it be fought in the Γ Quadrant

Would the Feds reach out to Species 8472 for help? {Probably a dumb move}

Or the in some fashion? {Probably dumb also}

Preferably a Hugh-ified cube or cubes, full of reasonable human(oid)s, with interstellar WMDs ready to unleash upon the Dough Boys en mass

Actually, if Dough Boy/Fed War II happened I say intelligently reboot TOS' Doomsday Machine. Plug up its Fatal Frontal Flaw so Dough Boys can't ram it offline ala Kirk did with Decker's ship.

Line TDM's interior control rooms with anti-changeling tech

Then the Feds could appropriately use TDM as the Biggest RAID Can Ever vs the Dough Boy's swarms of locusts

Appropriate euphemism Sisko used describing the Dough Boys & their ships

So the Feds could then vaporize 1,000's of Jemmy armadas lickety-split

The menace/threat posed by Starfleet's DM to the Dough Boys & their fleets & worlds would force a quick wrap to Dough Boy War 2

Of course TDM would also come in handy for vaporizing cubes 1-2-3 skadoo!

Hell. how nifty & , TDM would then be the UFP's “Death Star”

 

[Myasishchev]

Don't think any of the Voyager superweapons would show up since all of those were, by definition, one-shot plot devices that were winked out of existence by futureJaneway's reset button.

I wish.

I do however believe (or hope) that Starfleet would get over itself and start using cloaking technology on its Defiant class vessels to disrupt Dominion supply lines, destroy their shipyards and suppress their war effort to the point that they don't end up killing billions of people. Since this is post Nemesis, I think we can safety say "fuck the Romulans, let's go WIN." Plus the technology to fire while cloaked has been developed and perfected, and it's just a matter of time before Starfleet comes up with their own version.

I dunno. The E-E seemed to score a lot more hits on the Scimitar once she started firing.

 

[Lateralus]

Make up your effing minds already people

Use yours.

A war involving three of four quadrants is not a quadrant war, singular. It's really pretty simple. You don't need to launch into a spasm.

 

[Zeta]

Speaking of super weapons to defeat the Dominion in a 2nd war, perhaps SF can tap other advanced weapons/technologies we've seen throughout the years to tip the scales? For instance,

1. Arm a fleet with the Genesis Device and attack the Dominion homeworld (of course avoiding the mistakes the Romulans/Cardassians made when they tried it). One Genesis missile alone would re-synch the planet and put an end to the Founders once and for all.

2. Reactivate and reprogram the Doomsday Machine and point it through the wormhole at the Dominion. I have to believe SF has been studying the damn thing for the past century in some secret shipyard and would know how to re-arm it.

3. Send a Borg subspace transmitter to the vicinity of the Dominion homeworld and let the Borg take care of them!

4. Update the M5 program and send a fleet of computer-controlled ships through the wormhole. The Daystrom Institute must have worked out the bugs by now!

5. Build a fleet of Nomad space probes (I'm sure the Enterprise scanned the original probe and SF might be able to recreate) and launch at the Dominion to sterilize..

Ok, these are highly unethnical (and frankly fan wanky) ideas, but honestly the Federation has come across a lot of advanced technology over the years it could repurpose as weapons. How far would it be willing to go to win the war?

Feel free to suggest other technologies from past episodes!

 

[Aquehonga]

Speaking of super weapons to defeat the Dominion in a 2nd war, perhaps SF can tap other advanced weapons/technologies we've seen throughout the years to tip the scales? For instance,

1. Arm a fleet with the Genesis Device and attack the Dominion homeworld (of course avoiding the mistakes the Romulans/Cardassians made when they tried it). One Genesis missile alone would re-synch the planet and put an end to the Founders once and for all.

2. Reactivate and reprogram the Doomsday Machine and point it through the wormhole at the Dominion. I have to believe SF has been studying the damn thing for the past century in some secret shipyard and would know how to re-arm it.

3. Send a Borg subspace transmitter to the vicinity of the Dominion homeworld and let the Borg take care of them!

4. Update the M5 program and send a fleet of computer-controlled ships through the wormhole. The Daystrom Institute must have worked out the bugs by now!

5. Build a fleet of Nomad space probes (I'm sure the Enterprise scanned the original probe and SF might be able to recreate) and launch at the Dominion to sterilize..

Ok, these are highly unethnical (and frankly fan wanky) ideas, but honestly the Federation has come across a lot of advanced technology over the years it could repurpose as weapons. How far would it be willing to go to win the war?

Feel free to suggest other technologies from past episodes!

Very interesting ideas for how to extinguish the Milky Way's infestation of locusts

Locusts Sisko called the Dough Boys yes? Perfect name for'em. Very fitting.

Love your Borg idea

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Speaking of super weapons to defeat the Dominion in a 2nd war, perhaps SF can tap other advanced weapons/technologies we've seen throughout the years to tip the scales? For instance,

1. Arm a fleet with the Genesis Device and attack the Dominion homeworld (of course avoiding the mistakes the Romulans/Cardassians made when they tried it). One Genesis missile alone would re-synch the planet and put an end to the Founders once and for all.

Getting there is half the problem. Plus you'd have to lower yourself to commit genocide, which the Federation isn't going to do.

2. Reactivate and reprogram the Doomsday Machine and point it through the wormhole at the Dominion.

And then what? The damn thing has no off button. Besides, Kirk figured out how to disable it in the old days, I don't see why the Dominion wouldn't be able to do the same.

3. Send a Borg subspace transmitter to the vicinity of the Dominion homeworld and let the Borg take care of them!

Assuming the Borg actually defeat the Dominion, you now have Borgified changelings with access to the freaking wormhole! Out of the frying pan, into a vat of napalm.

4. Update the M5 program and send a fleet of computer-controlled ships through the wormhole. The Daystrom Institute must have worked out the bugs by now!

Modern Starship computers are more advanced than M5 anyway. Any time Sisko orders "attack pattern alpha" or some junk like that, the conn officer literally types in "Attack that ship, pattern alpha" and the computer does the rest. It's not all that useful anymore since everyone else in the universe has computers that can do the exact same trick.

5. Build a fleet of Nomad space probes (I'm sure the Enterprise scanned the original probe and SF might be able to recreate) and launch at the Dominion to sterilize..

Nomad, like the doomsday machine, has no off button.

Feel free to suggest other technologies from past episodes!

Interphase cloaking device. As I said in an earlier post, Fuck the Romulans, we want to win.

 

[Myasishchev]

Speaking of super weapons to defeat the Dominion in a 2nd war, perhaps SF can tap other advanced weapons/technologies we've seen throughout the years to tip the scales? For instance,

1. Arm a fleet with the Genesis Device and attack the Dominion homeworld (of course avoiding the mistakes the Romulans/Cardassians made when they tried it). One Genesis missile alone would re-synch the planet and put an end to the Founders once and for all.

Getting there is half the problem. Plus you'd have to lower yourself to commit genocide, which the Federation isn't going to do.

The Genesis device is no more effective a killer than a suitably large antimatter warhead, anyway. The controversy behind its development is, as I see it, analogous to that of the neutron bomb--like the neutron bomb, Genesis leaves (or in its case recreates) the infrastructure that the user desires to seize. The photon torpedo is just as deadly, as the ordinary thermonuclear device is to the radiation bomb, but Genesis' peculiar features make its use that much more attractive.

If the Federation's iffy on genocide anyway. Section 31 infects the Founders, probably with Fed proper help, and the Feds deny responsibility. The Feds (probably) don't obliterate planetary populations themselves, but they ask the Romulans to come join the war and do their orbital bombardments for them.

 

[Aquehonga]

If there were a 2nd Dough Boy War I suggest using this as the Ultimate Biogenic Weapon against the Great Link.