If the JJPrise REALLY IS 725 meters...
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No. Only the other ships that appear in the JJVerse, which would be of a similar scale. I suppose you could dream up modified versions of some familiar starships in the new scale, but you don't really need to: the Klingon D7 could just as easily be the Klingon's equivalent of a destroyer-escort and the Bird of Prey a torpedo gunboat.
OTOH, the D7/K'tinga designs were still in service even in TNG days when Starfleet had whole fleets of ships much larger than the JJPrize (and for that matter, so did the Klingons and Romulans). I figure there has always been room for small starships in the Trekiverse, even in TOS days, it's just that we never got to see them in TOS or the movies.
The airlocks and docking ports alone show that the nuEnty isn't 700 m long. At most she might be the 366 m or so some have calculated. Unless those circular, TMP-style docking and pod doors are 20 feet across to allow for uber-fat, super-obese Starfleet officers.
Well, the pod bay doors on the Discoery were about ten feet in diameter. Assume a 2 to 3 foot ring around those hatches to accommodate a (optional) universal docking adaptor and you have what is essentially a circular garage door into which just about anything can be conveniently pushed into/out of the ship from just about any other type of vehicle of just about any size.
Besides, considering those TMP airlocks were designed specifically to mate with a shuttlecraft that Starfleet hasn't used since TMP--and especially since the new shuttlecraft from the JJVerse aren't equipped with those nice circular airlocks anyway--it makes a tad more sense to have a pressurized dock where a shuttlecraft can literally pull into and park if it needs to load/unload passengers and cargo without physically flying into the main shuttlebay.
Just saying: design logic comes in many flavors.
And all the more reason to acknowledge the film for the out-and-out reboot that it is rather than pretend it has anything more to do with the TOS continuity than the fig leaf presence of Nimoy.
^ Amen to that.
I'm waiting to get my hands on the DVD next month, because I want to freeze frame the shot of the shuttle bay with the door open.
Looked like there were 937 shuttles in there. (Okay, exaggerating a bit, but the point's been made.)
The problem with saying certain features of the ship are a certain known size (based on how big a person would be compared to them) is that if the studio officially says something that conflicts with that, then we have a problem. Who do you believe? What's been seen onscreen, completely undeniable, or the people who will control all matters involving ship size from now on?
Maybe they can be "forced" into admitting the ship's smaller than they at first said, provided they're confronted by good visually based facts, but there's always the chance they'll just say they don't care and keep insisiting on the larger measurement.
Now, if they would come out with a blueprint book based on the movie, that'd help.
Oh...
As for the size of Klingon ships, if the Federation starts making starships that dwarf the D7s, don't you think the Klingons will come up with a few new designs of their own? Most likely.
Looked like there were 937 shuttles in there. (Okay, exaggerating a bit, but the point's been made.)
The problem with saying certain features of the ship are a certain known size (based on how big a person would be compared to them) is that if the studio officially says something that conflicts with that, then we have a problem. Who do you believe? What's been seen onscreen, completely undeniable, or the people who will control all matters involving ship size from now on?
Maybe they can be "forced" into admitting the ship's smaller than they at first said, provided they're confronted by good visually based facts, but there's always the chance they'll just say they don't care and keep insisiting on the larger measurement.
Now, if they would come out with a blueprint book based on the movie, that'd help.
Oh...
As for the size of Klingon ships, if the Federation starts making starships that dwarf the D7s, don't you think the Klingons will come up with a few new designs of their own? Most likely.
Well they essentially are: http://www.startrekmovie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7457
The Enterprise E has how many decks? How large is the Defiant? They have screwed up before, and screwed it up this time, too.
The Churchprise clearly has different sizes from scene to scene. ILM admitted that they rescaled the ship during production once they found out they needed a bigger shuttle bay.
And the ship will change its size in the next movie, too, I'm sure about that.
Why should they? Building spaceships is no dick size contest.
The Churchprise clearly has different sizes from scene to scene. ILM admitted that they rescaled the ship during production once they found out they needed a bigger shuttle bay.
And the ship will change its size in the next movie, too, I'm sure about that.
Why should they? Building spaceships is no dick size contest.
The airlocks and docking ports alone show that the nuEnty isn't 700 m long. At most she might be the 366 m or so some have calculated. Unless those circular, TMP-style docking and pod doors are 20 feet across to allow for uber-fat, super-obese Starfleet officers.
Well, the pod bay doors on the Discoery were about ten feet in diameter. Assume a 2 to 3 foot ring around those hatches to accommodate a (optional) universal docking adaptor and you have what is essentially a circular garage door into which just about anything can be conveniently pushed into/out of the ship from just about any other type of vehicle of just about any size.
Besides, considering those TMP airlocks were designed specifically to mate with a shuttlecraft that Starfleet hasn't used since TMP--and especially since the new shuttlecraft from the JJVerse aren't equipped with those nice circular airlocks anyway--it makes a tad more sense to have a pressurized dock where a shuttlecraft can literally pull into and park if it needs to load/unload passengers and cargo without physically flying into the main shuttlebay.
Just saying: design logic comes in many flavors.
Agreed and too true. But this is NO 725 meter-long starship. Just saying.
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