If THE CAGE never happens in this timeline...

[Jackson_Roykirk]

...What success? A week or so in the top 5 films?

9 out of 10 Star Trek films were #1 for the week that they opened, and all ten were #1 the day they opened. Why would this one necessarily be any different?....

...unless, of course, it is a really bad quality film -- but nobody can tell that yet until it opens. Even the "naysayers" can only comment on the fact they don't like the "direction of the plot", which has nothing to do with the film's quality or its ability to be enjoyed by the average movie-going public.

 

[Sector 7]

As an offshoot, I'd be pleasantly surprised if we see in this movie just how Pike got into his accident that lead him to the wheel chair with horse-counting communication (hey, we know the time frame for this movie jumps around).

Again our technology has surpassed the 1960's TOS vision. Dr. Stephen Hawking "speaks" from his wheelchair better than Fleet Captain Christopher Pike did in Menagerie. Just something to think upon.

 

[Captain Robert April]

...What success? A week or so in the top 5 films?

9 out of 10 Star Trek films were #1 for the week that they opened, and all ten were #1 the day they opened. Why would this one necessarily be any different?....

...unless, of course, it is a really bad quality film -- but nobody can tell that yet until it opens. Even the "naysayers" can only comment on the fact they don't like the "direction of the plot", which has nothing to do with the film's quality or its ability to be enjoyed by the average movie-going public.

Nemesis was never #1. It was beaten out opening weekend by the J-Lo romantic comedy "Maid In Manhattan", by only pulling in a paltry $18 million, and it only got worse from that point on. It's total take of around $46 million was what just about every other Trek film got opening weekend (adjusting for inflation in most cases).

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

If The Cage Doesn't happen in this new timeline, can I *keep* the DVD I've got? I don't want Abrams knocking down my front door...

Bad robots are rounding up Trekkies and putting them in internment camps. There's a secret Trekkie resistance. They're guarding the sacred canon of Star Trek.

"What'll we do now?"

"Fight em till we can't."

Well, it's all fun and games until Michael Hogan loses an eye.

 

[M'Sharak]

...What success? A week or so in the top 5 films?

9 out of 10 Star Trek films were #1 for the week that they opened, and all ten were #1 the day they opened. Why would this one necessarily be any different?....

...unless, of course, it is a really bad quality film -- but nobody can tell that yet until it opens. Even the "naysayers" can only comment on the fact they don't like the "direction of the plot", which has nothing to do with the film's quality or its ability to be enjoyed by the average movie-going public.

Nemesis was never #1. It was beaten out opening weekend by the J-Lo romantic comedy "Maid In Manhattan", by only pulling in a paltry $18 million, and it only got worse from that point on. It's total take of around $46 million was what just about every other Trek film got opening weekend (adjusting for inflation in most cases).

Does any of that really contradict Jackson_Roykirk's statement that Nemesis was #1 on the day it opened, though?

 

[Devon]

Nemesis was #1 the day it opened according to Box Office Mojo.

 

[M'Sharak]

Exactly.

Day 2 was something else again.

 

[Gary7]

I also can't understand why people keep worrying about the timeline for TOS being compromised. Hasn't it been established that this movie is based on an alternate timeline? A "new perspective" on the original concept? We've already seen "violations" in many respects, if one thinks the movie has to keep in line with established Star Trek. So, shouldn't it be given that lattitude to avoid any concern?

 

[pookha]

it seems that there will still be a period of time in which pike is in command of the enterprise and spock serves with him. during this period before kirk comes aboard, they could have visited talos iv. it is more likely that the menagerie might not occur, but such thoughts are just speculation.

yeah this is how i see it.
that the movie is skipping through different periods and the talos incident is in the past before the part where pike goes aboard the narada.

 

[saddestmoon]

If THE CAGE never happens in this timeline...???

My head hurts...

And now to a more pertinent question:

What if there are no red bussards in this timeline... and no cheesy 1960s uniforms either?

Life will continue unabated...

 

[StarMan]

^Good to see another Kiwi Trekkie with his head screwed on.

 

[EJA]

I also can't understand why people keep worrying about the timeline for TOS being compromised. Hasn't it been established that this movie is based on an alternate timeline? A "new perspective" on the original concept? We've already seen "violations" in many respects, if one thinks the movie has to keep in line with established Star Trek. So, shouldn't it be given that lattitude to avoid any concern?

Because it alienates the long-term fans if it becomes TOO different, especially in regards to the history of the characters and universe.

 

[SalvorHardin]

It wouldn't make any difference to me. I already have "The Cage" on DVD.

What he said....

 

[EJA]

As for all this stuff about the Kelvin and the crew's uniforms being at odds with the history, well, maybe some of that's down to all the temporal crap that messed up the timeline in Enterprise (e.g. meeting Klingons earlier, the Xindi attacking Earth, etc)?

 

[cultcross]

As for all this stuff about the Kelvin and the crew's uniforms being at odds with the history, well, maybe some of that's down to all the temporal crap that messed up the timeline in Enterprise (e.g. meeting Klingons earlier, the Xindi attacking Earth, etc)?

Zactly. the precious canon isn't exactly blemish free anyway, continuity wise.

And frankly, if it overwrites a failed pilot from the 1960s which had little or nothing to do with the series we eventually got, bar plugging a budget hole when they were two episodes short of a season, who really cares? Series regularly ignore elements form their own pilots, why should a movie, 40 years after the fact, be constrained by it?

 

[El Chupacabra]

I also can't understand why people keep worrying about the timeline for TOS being compromised. Hasn't it been established that this movie is based on an alternate timeline? A "new perspective" on the original concept? We've already seen "violations" in many respects, if one thinks the movie has to keep in line with established Star Trek. So, shouldn't it be given that lattitude to avoid any concern?

Because it alienates the long-term fans if it becomes TOO different, especially in regards to the history of the characters and universe.

I'm not so sure. Pine Kirk is as much for me a different chracater from Shatner Kirk as Mirror Mirror Spock is from TOS Spock. I am treating them as different characters who just happen to have the same names and similar traits. With that in mind I'm not too bothered by history changes after the Kelvin explosion, just as long as klingons have ridges, vulcans have pointed ears, Starfleet still exists, the Enterprise isn't too different and the story looks at the human experience in the same way TOS did.

 

[Pindar]

Because it alienates the long-term fans if it becomes TOO different, especially in regards to the history of the characters and universe.

Well it's not alienating me and I have been a TOS fan for nearly 40 years.

I welcome the changes if anything.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Because it alienates the long-term fans if it becomes TOO different, especially in regards to the history of the characters and universe.

No one's been a Trek fan longer than I have. It's not alienating me.

 

[cultcross]

Because it alienates the long-term fans if it becomes TOO different, especially in regards to the history of the characters and universe.

No one's been a Trek fan longer than I have. It's not alienating me.

By 'long term Trek fan', EJA doesn't really refer to time, more to the crowd who see a low budget 1960s show as perfection and can't abide any suggestion of changing any aspect of it for an audience 40 years later.

 

[Gojira]

I have my own personal canon to make sense of the changes and time line.

I believe that when Picard and crew went back into time to help Zefram Cochrane with his warp flight they inadvertently gave him too much knowledge of the future so things became more advanced sooner than they originally had been in the original time line.

So unless this new story does something to contradict that theory I will stick with that new theory

So in this alternate time line if The Cage never happens then it won't bother me one bit.