If Star trek XII is about khan.....

[Captain Pike]

Here's an idea. How about NO Khan in the sequel. Let's do something NEW, people!

Yeesh.

Totally.

There is this expectation amongst some (those IMO who fundamentally don't quite 'get' Star Trek and want to force it into the Hollywood mold) that every hero of the silver screen needs a nemesis. I disagree - Kirk does not need a nemesis. Even if he did, Khan ain't it.

Putting Khan in Trek 12 is a terrible idea. It would show that the writers are both bankrupt of ideas and that they do not understand or respect the essence of the show.

 

[Itisnotlogical]

I think that Khan would just plain qualify as a Bad idea. Capital B Bad. He was great, sure, but his time's come and gone. Plus in my personal opinion there's just nobody up there who could live up to Montalban's performance. By extension, I'd rather the new movie not be about the Klingons either- the TOS movies were pretty much a big Klingon fest, we don't need another variation on the same "Klingon bad, Enterprise with Kirk kick Klingon ass" plot.

 

[Agenda]

If they really took Khan in a new direction, it could work. What if, for instance, Khan was awoken earlier in this alternate universe and he was able to take over the Federation from "behind the scenes" and basically became a shadow figure, a puppeteer, i.e. a Palpatine-like villain.

 

[FordSVT]

^Because if there is one thing Star Trek should start doing, it's imitating SW Eps 1-3.

 

[bigdaddy]

By extension, I'd rather the new movie not be about the Klingons either- the TOS movies were pretty much a big Klingon fest, we don't need another variation on the same "Klingon bad, Enterprise with Kirk kick Klingon ass" plot.

Umm... half of the TOS don't even have an Klingons!

 

[backstept]

I want a new story . . . Khan has been done already

 

[Red Ranger]

Screw Wrath of Kahn! Honestly, if Kahn is in the new movie, why does it have to be him seeking revenge, Space Seed had no ideals on Vengeance and neither should a new film involving Kahn.

If a new film is made with Kahn, what I would like to see is Kahn being found on the maiden voyage of a State of the Art prototype ship, maybe another a new constellation class.

Kahn tricks the crew and takes over the ship and launches a campaign of terror against he Federation and it's up the Kirk and the Enterprise to stop them. The film would result in a battle of wits between Kahn and Kirk.

No revenge, it's been done like every second Star Trek film.

Hmmm. It has elements of Space Seed and TWOK. Interesting. It might be the way to go if they do decide to reboot Khan. As for who should play Khan, I can see Javier Bardem or Antonio Banderas in the role.

Here's an idea. How about NO Khan in the sequel. Let's do something NEW, people!

Yeesh.

Totally.

There is this expectation amongst some (those IMO who fundamentally don't quite 'get' Star Trek and want to force it into the Hollywood mold) that every hero of the silver screen needs a nemesis. I disagree - Kirk does not need a nemesis. Even if he did, Khan ain't it.

Putting Khan in Trek 12 is a terrible idea. It would show that the writers are both bankrupt of ideas and that they do not understand or respect the essence of the show.

I'm not altogether enamored of the idea, either. But then who is Kirk's nemesis? Every fictional character has a nemesis, from Sherlock Holmes (Prof. Moriarity), to James Bond (Blofeld), to Batman (the Joker). So I disagree there.

Red Ranger

 

[Temis the Vorta]

^Because if there is one thing Star Trek should start doing, it's imitating SW Eps 1-3.

That ewok character gave me a hankerin' for more SW in my Trek!!!

 

[startrekrcks]

What if they did remake Space Seed or Wrath of Khan because I love that episode and that movie they are awesome.

 

[ChristopherPike]

I'm not altogether enamored of the idea, either. But then who is Kirk's nemesis? Every fictional character has a nemesis, from Sherlock Holmes (Prof. Moriarity), to James Bond (Blofeld), to Batman (the Joker).

Whether or not hardcore fans are sick of the overexposure, as far as the public at large are concerned, the No.1 bad guys in the Star Trek universe are the Klingons. Just like the most feared nemesis in Doctor Who are the Daleks. Therefore Kirk's counterpart would be of that race. Had John Collicos been available for subsequent TOS episodes, it almost certainly would've been Kor. In reality, James T. Kirk had a gallery of rogues to contend with: Koloth, Kang, Kruge, Chang...

Khan only featured twice and had it not been for Harve Bennett decision to revisit him, he wouldn't even have had that. Whether or not this perception was ever entirely accurate, TV viewers came away from Star Trek with the view that Klingons were the main enemy. That ensured they were the first characters seen onscreen when it hit the big screen and why there's some connection to that race in every film... whether reusing footage for Kobayashi Maru, or taking a Bird-of-Prey to 1986, even hearing Goldsmith's iconic theme for Worf's big entrance.

I suppose with a different universe, they have an excuse now to reimagine them less along the lines of heathen barbarians at the gates, into more devious strategists or religious extremists to reflect what is considered to be the worst threat we face now... That presents a problem if you accept ENT as a common backstory. On the otherhand, there's been something like a century since 'Affliction' and 'Divergence'. So maybe those affected by the Augment virus underwent more physical changes, passing that along to their kids. They eventually overthrow their High Council, become the ruling Imperial class and abandon their TNG-based belief in personal honor. Maybe they subvert Kahless' teachings or just follow his brother Morath... or Molor, another Klingon from history who opposed him. Then you probably get to the stage where they engage in a holy war with the Federation... proclaiming each new terrorist act as something "glorious".

For equal moral ambiguity, there needs to a flip side with Starfleet not entirely free from blame. Bringing Federation ideals and influences to places in the galaxy that haven't necessarily asked for their culture to be changed by outside forces.

 

[RobertScorpio]

I have been saying from the start, as most of those who have kissed my feet on this subject know, that this movie (Trek 12) will have khan in it. It will happen because Paramount knows it is an easy sell to the rest of the world (meaning, not geeky TREK fans like us)....

Rob

 

[GhostFaceSaint]

If they do Khan they need to do three things.
1. Use Javier Bardem to play Khan
2. Not go the direction they went in 'Wrath because that has been done.
3. Have Khan play a more noble character, one with many good and admirable characteristics, someone who is just as charasmatic as Ricardo Montalban but still with that Khan edge that I think only Javier Bardem could do today.

I think Khan should befriend Kirk at first, playing the hero from the 20th century who unfortunetely can never let go of his pride as a former conquerer and leader of nations, he should always be likable and scary at the same time. It should be revealed early that Khan is Khan Noonian Sing who acts the repentant man and even a comrade of Kirk and company aboard the USS Enterprise. Khan should quickly become the voice within the federation against its enemies the Romulan's and the Klingon's gaining power and influence until his true motives become apparent to Kirk, control over the Federation, and Kirk should feel that his trust has been betrayed opposes Khan leading to some sort of confrontation within the federation between those who support Khan and those who are against him. How this conflict is resolved would be great to see on the big screen!

That would fit Khan and Star Trek better than portraying Khan as just another two-dimensional villian.

 

[Traveller]

*shrug* If they make a Khan movie, I'm not gonna watch it. That simple. I'm just not interested in seeing him again - if I want to see Khan, I'll watch TWOK.

Give me Romulans, Cardassians, Andorians, Orions or any other race from TOS that never got their proper screentime, and I'll be happy.

 

[Elias Vaughn]

Every fictional character has a nemesis

Winnie the Pooh.

*Every* fictional character?

 

[USS Triumphant]

How about a movie with a completely different threat that is so terrible that, in light of the weakened Starfleet after the "battle" with the Narada over Vulcan, Old Spock actually tells Kirk where to go get Khan so that Khan can help?

Admittedly, Khan was a megalomaniac, but I doubt he would want Earth/all-of-humanity threatened any more than the next guy. And if Khan helped win the day and lived, we could really start to see this universe start to go in a new direction!

Winnie the Pooh.

Pots of honey that he gets stuck in, of course.

 

[Elias Vaughn]

...blast!

 

[shapeshifter]

If Star trek XII is about khan.....

I'm boycotting.

 

[T'Girl]

KHAN: "Kirrrrrk ... you you abandoned me fifteen years ago on Ceti Alpha."

KIRK: "Dude, fifteen years ago I was like seven."

KHAN: "And you Mister Chekov, I remember you too.

CHEKOV: "Странный белый блондин, я, может быть, два в то время."

KHAN: "I will leave you as you left her, buried alive."

KIRK: "Okay and now who's 'her' please."

 

[StarshipDefiant]

KHAN: "Kirrrrrk ... you you abandoned me fifteen years ago on Ceti Alpha."

KIRK: "Dude, fifteen years ago I was like seven."

KHAN: "And you Mister Chekov, I remember you too.

CHEKOV: "Странный белый блондин, я, может быть, два в то время."

KHAN: "I will leave you as you left her, buried alive."

KIRK: "Okay and now who's 'her' please."

HAH, that's funny.

Anyway, I am pretty much opposed to the idea of Kahn being in the movie, especially on the excuse that it's a new timline and they can do whatever they want. I've started to accept that is whats going to happen though, because JJ seems to have his mind set on that, even though I've seen the writers mention they didn't really want to take the chance or to do it just because. In any case though, I'd still go see it because it's a trek movie, but it's a shame they'd still be relying on what came before to sell the flick when they went out of their way to change so much.