If Star Trek Beyond Is The Last Film Should They Start NuTNG or Recast

[Nerys Myk]

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People are using the word 'Metro,' but I don't think they know what it means.

'Metro' only refers to people's appearance guys (clothes, hair etc). That thing that's lifted near identically from the original show.

And I'm not sure what "metro" (in whatever definition) has to do with Abrams Trek.

They probably aren't sure either. But they heard the word once or twice, decided it was a "bad thing" and figured they would apply it to the new Trek films.

 

[fireproof78]

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People are using the word 'Metro,' but I don't think they know what it means.

'Metro' only refers to people's appearance guys (clothes, hair etc). That thing that's lifted near identically from the original show.

And I'm not sure what "metro" (in whatever definition) has to do with Abrams Trek.

They probably aren't sure either. But they heard the word once or twice, decided it was a "bad thing" and figured they would apply it to the new Trek films.

Well, I looked up the word "bad" and there was a picture of Star Trek 2009 and Star Trek Into Darkness, so there is my answer

Thank you, Wikipedia!

On another note, Star Trek is a variety of formats to work with. I don't think they need a "Nu-TNG" any more than I think we needed original TNG. I think it was just an outgrowth of wanting to do more with the franchise.

I would prefer if it stayed close to the TOS timeframe, if they keep going in Abrams universe (no guarantees that they will, given how CBS and Paramount can be about things). I would like to see a brand new ship, showing technology growing with the universe, and providing us with a crew that needs to come together and learn to function as a unit.

If they reboot it (a strong possibility, in my opinion) then let it be about an a new crew on a new ship working out the kinks. Let their be optimism about what they will find out there, and that this new technology offers them so much more than the previous ships could.

In any case, lets have some interesting relationships.

 

[Trekkin]

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...still doesn't explain 'metro.'

To be honest, it always came off to me as being used the same way 'gay' was used in the 90's/00's. People mean they don't see something as rugged and 'manly', which is apparently both a thing and important.

I'm not saying that's exactly what the people using it here meant, but that does seem to be how it 'caught on' as an insult. I admit I might be taking it too seriously, but the words misuse bugs me.

Where did people get the idea that they would just move on to nuTNG?

 

[eyeresist]

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...still doesn't explain 'metro.'

To be honest, it always came off to me as being used the same way 'gay' was used in the 90's/00's. People mean they don't see something as rugged and 'manly', which is apparently both a thing and important.

A Star Trek forum is really the wrong place to make a big deal about being "manly".

 

[2takesfrakes]

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When STAR TREK: The Next Generation first came out, there were all of these circumstances that sort of demanded STAR TREK continue with another ship, another crew. Namely the fact of the aged original series cast being ambulatory and still making movies, as a result. As long as it was conceivable that they could still play their parts, at all, rebooting TOS at that time, might not have sit well. But, then, as now, I'm sure it would've been the preferred way to go. But the possibilities of what another ship and crew could add to the pot had their appeal and we got to see various incarnations of that, which is good. But the spin-offs were of their time.

TNG is A Timeless Classic, in every sense of the world and was blessed with a stellar role call of the finest actors available, at the time. The format made sense at the time and Rick Berman did a great job of keeping STAR TREK alive, on television. But with 50 years between the original series and now, having any other crew, aside from TOS doesn't make a lot of sense. TOS remains iconic and the reboot has been wildly successful and will continue to be. It's proven that the TOS crew can be youthful and relevant continually and forever, as long as there's an audience for STAR TREK. And besides, TNG was absolutely brilliant ... how can you expect to improve upon perfection? Exactly - you can't. Best to just leave it alone and just present it in all of its original glory ... as the Gene Roddenberry's Greatest Masterpiece.

 

[Relayer1]

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I would prefer if it stayed close to the TOS timeframe, if they keep going in Abrams universe (no guarantees that they will, given how CBS and Paramount can be about things). I would like to see a brand new ship, showing technology growing with the universe, and providing us with a crew that needs to come together and learn to function as a unit.

If they reboot it (a strong possibility, in my opinion) then let it be about an a new crew on a new ship working out the kinks. Let their be optimism about what they will find out there, and that this new technology offers them so much more than the previous ships could.

In any case, lets have some interesting relationships.

Pretty much this, but I'd be just as happy (unlikely as it is) for Star Trek on film and T.V. to just stop. I'd be happy to stick with the ongoing novel series, which are imho not only better than the current incarnation, but better than most of the shows they are based on...

 

[Kirk's Tribble]

My opinion.

Just wondering what peoples thoughts were on this. Some of the actors like Qunito have mentioned they will want to move on to other things. If some of the mains such as Quinto or Pine decide to not do anymore of these movies after the third I think there are a few possibilities.

The franchise will take another break,
We will see a recasting and a continuance of the current storyline.
A TNG reboot in the NuTrek universe.
A focus on a different starship and crew.
A new TV series with a different starship and crew set in the NuTrek Universe.
A return to the Prime Trek universe with a tv show showing events after TNG.
A return to Prime Trek TNG movies and we pick up with a much older Picard.


Any thoughts on this?

I don't think that they should cast any new actors in the roles of previous characters. Just make new ones.

 

[fireproof78]

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I would prefer if it stayed close to the TOS timeframe, if they keep going in Abrams universe (no guarantees that they will, given how CBS and Paramount can be about things). I would like to see a brand new ship, showing technology growing with the universe, and providing us with a crew that needs to come together and learn to function as a unit.

If they reboot it (a strong possibility, in my opinion) then let it be about an a new crew on a new ship working out the kinks. Let their be optimism about what they will find out there, and that this new technology offers them so much more than the previous ships could.

In any case, lets have some interesting relationships.

Pretty much this, but I'd be just as happy (unlikely as it is) for Star Trek on film and T.V. to just stop. I'd be happy to stick with the ongoing novel series, which are imho not only better than the current incarnation, but better than most of the shows they are based on...

I could agree with this, to a certain point.

If there was no more TV show or films, I would be fine with that, but I would want a novel series based upon Abrams Trek, for a variety of reasons.

It would also be nice to see more video games and other materials to help continue the franchise.

 

[Isolinear]

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No recasting of old characters please. Give us a new crew 100 years after Voyager. That's long enough to be a 'reboot' of sorts, just like TNG was.

And if they don't want all that canon baggage... well, then don't call it Star Trek and make something new. I'd love some good old 'space opera' back on TV. We haven't had any since BSG.

 

[Galileo7]

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We will see a recasting and a continuance of the current storyline.

Agree.

 

[TheSubCommander]

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You know, if they were to recast the current Abrams crew after Star Trek 13, I would like to see them recast older actors as the TOS crew, and center a second trilogy around Kirk and company towards the ends of their careers... in effect, a remake of TMP era films, but with different stories. That way, it is in the same universe and continuity. While I grew up on TOS reruns in my early childhood, when it comes to the TOS crew, my favorite era is Star Trek 1-4. I'd like to see a return to THAT vibe.

 

[ichab]

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Pine should've been cast as Captain Robert April, with a whole new crew as well, when the ship was originally launched. That way when actors wanted to leave and move onto other things then we could've gotten Christopher Pike, Number One, and the rest replacing them, before they left and were replaced by Kirk and Co.

Granted a few would have to commit to more movies than the others, but it would help show a realistic progression of careers, crew sacrifices, etc.

It always bugs me when characters are recast with different actors after just a film or two, they rarely ever live up to the original (no that isn't a direct dig at NuTrek).

I really wish the powers that be would follow this blueprint. Its an alternate reality so there really is no reason to keep the same cast of characters forever. If the Walking Dead proved anything its that you don't have to keep the same cast around in order to be successful.

 

[eyeresist]

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It's debatable whether Walking Dead will have the same longevity as Trek. I think a big part of Trek's continuing appeal is the iconic characters (and not just the TOS ones). Recasting an iconic character makes more sense than having a conveyor belt of new characters, each more forgettable than the last.

 

[Overgeeked]

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It's debatable whether Walking Dead with have the same longevity as Trek. I think a big part of Trek's continuing appeal is the iconic characters (and not just the TOS ones). Recasting an iconic character makes more sense than having a conveyor belt of new characters, each more forgettable than the last.

That same argument can be made--and often has been made--when the various "new" series were announced, namely TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT. Some of those characters who were once considered "a conveyor belt of new characters, each more forgettable than the last" have become iconic characters in their own right. If they give us engaging characters, an interesting setting, dynamic situations, enthralling emotions, and good acting, any new comers would become iconic as well.

They should neither recast TOS nor reboot TNG. They should let the experiment die and return to the prime universe. There are all kinds of holes in the map of the Trek universe left to explore. The Earth-Romulan War, the Founding of the Federation, the long gap between ENT and TOS, the long gap between TOS and TNG (aka "The Lost Era"), then there's the odd man out and go with a non-reboot/relaunch set in established eras such as non-Enterprise ENT or non-Enterprise TOS or non-Enterprise TNG, or there's the perennially simple concept of jumping ahead another 100 years from TNG as TNG did from TOS and start fresh. No need for more "He's not Khan! Except he totally is" moments.

 

[eyeresist]

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It's debatable whether Walking Dead with have the same longevity as Trek. I think a big part of Trek's continuing appeal is the iconic characters (and not just the TOS ones). Recasting an iconic character makes more sense than having a conveyor belt of new characters, each more forgettable than the last.

That same argument can be made--and often has been made--when the various "new" series were announced, namely TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT. Some of those characters who were once considered "a conveyor belt of new characters, each more forgettable than the last" have become iconic characters in their own right.

I guess I was distracted by talk of Walking Dead and thought we were talking about recasting within series (or Saavik changing actors between TWOK and TSFS). But I also believe that some characters are interesting enough that it's good to see them interpreted by different actors.

 

[Trekkin]

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But then again, the new universe is also a gigantic blank slate - one in which new characters can just as easily be introduced.

Nearly everything they could do in the Prime verse, can be done in the Nu one. The only difference is that there would be no trips to Vulcan (not that post TOS did that a lot anyway), and presumably there would be less Vulcans. It just depends on the path the future writers would want to take.

Something set between Enterprise and nu Kirk's birth, would be a history shared between both timelines. No need to go back to Prime to tell that story.

And the NuVerse wasn't an experiment, it's the direction the series has taken. A direction mind, that has been more critically and commercially successful then every other Trek movie to come before it. If anything, restarting the series was more of an 'all or nothing' gamble. The only thing that could possibly make the writers, Paramount, or CBS take a new direction, is if the next movie flunks. In which case, you still won't be going back to Prime. More than likely, the series will just end and maybe 30 years down the line, you'll get a typical remake which wont use any prior continuity at all.

I know that sounds a little ranty and fanboy-y, and I don't meant it that way. I can understand why people want the Prime timeline back. But I'm just getting stuck on why people are thinking that there is a real possibility that it will. Are people hedging their bets that one day the inmates will run the asylum?

 

[eyeresist]

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Nearly everything they could do in the Prime verse, can be done in the Nu one. The only difference is that there would be no trips to Vulcan (not that post TOS did that a lot anyway), and presumably there would be less Vulcans.

Arguably, as they have no home planet, there would be more Vulcans to run into in the rest of the galaxy.

I recall ENT briefly touched on the struggles faced by a race (the Suliban) whose home no longer existed. There's a lot of dramatic potential there, a lot more than the latest ambassador from Judgmental-ville..

 

[Trekkin]

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They kind-of did the 'Vulcan without his roots' with Sybok. List that as another missed opportunity. I find the idea of nomad Vulcans to be fairly interesting.

Come to think of it, I wouldn't mind seeing Nu-Sybok. He'd be an interesting foil to the more outwardly emotional NuSpock. I don't know if I'd go so far as to say that I want it to happen though.

 

[eyeresist]

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I understand your ambivalence, but NuSybok might find the homeless Vulcans receptive to his ideas. He and Spock could struggle for the soul of New Vulcan.

 

[Overgeeked]

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But then again, the new universe is also a gigantic blank slate - one in which new characters can just as easily be introduced.

Nearly everything they could do in the Prime verse, can be done in the Nu one. The only difference is that there would be no trips to Vulcan (not that post TOS did that a lot anyway), and presumably there would be less Vulcans. It just depends on the path the future writers would want to take.

Something set between Enterprise and nu Kirk's birth, would be a history shared between both timelines. No need to go back to Prime to tell that story.

And the NuVerse wasn't an experiment, it's the direction the series has taken. A direction mind, that has been more critically and commercially successful then every other Trek movie to come before it. If anything, restarting the series was more of an 'all or nothing' gamble. The only thing that could possibly make the writers, Paramount, or CBS take a new direction, is if the next movie flunks. In which case, you still won't be going back to Prime. More than likely, the series will just end and maybe 30 years down the line, you'll get a typical remake which wont use any prior continuity at all.

I know that sounds a little ranty and fanboy-y, and I don't meant it that way. I can understand why people want the Prime timeline back. But I'm just getting stuck on why people are thinking that there is a real possibility that it will. Are people hedging their bets that one day the inmates will run the asylum?

It's funny, but people only seem to mention the box office or sales when there's a clear issue of quality. Take 50 Shades of Grey as the perennial favorite example.

"It's a terrible book."

"Maybe, but it sold like gangbusters."

"Star Trek 2009 is terrible."

"Maybe, but it sold like gangbusters."

"Star Trek the STD is terrible."

"Maybe, but it sold... erm, never mind. NuTrek for life."

Same with the heartless action movie franchise that's using Trek's character and place names. Yeah, sorry, I'd rather have the heart and soul put back into the franchise and I'm more than willing for it to go back to its household name recognition "cult" status. Better that than another installment of the bratty pew-pew pack that can't even seem to get the basics of the universe or characters right.

If I had a choice between the inmates running the asylum or people who actively hate the franchise in charge, I'll choose the inmates every time. But there I go, actually liking the original shows because of what they were and having the silly idea that anything with the "Trek" name on it should at least try to understand what that means and attempt to shoot for living up to that, rather than you know... nuking Vulcan and turning Spock into the most emotional character of the bunch.

I understand your ambivalence, but NuSybok might find the homeless Vulcans receptive to his ideas. He and Spock could struggle for the soul of New Vulcan.

Wow. So not only destroy the Vulcan homeworld, but take the screaming Spock meme to its limit and inflict that kind of idiocy on the entire species? No thanks.